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Sabres Trade Alex Nylander to Chicago for D Man Henri Jokiharju

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3 hours ago, dudacek said:

Just that he was a late 1st puck mover and Hawk fans were very high on him a year ago.

Played half a season in the NHL last year, which is unusual for a 20-year-old D-man

19 year old d-man.

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2 hours ago, Derrico said:

Some high praise out there for this kid.  Never heard of him up until 5 min ago so taking some of it with a grain of salt.

I became familiar with him last season, when in the early part he was the only rookie D threatening Dahlin's point total. 

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27 minutes ago, Randall Flagg said:

I only know of Jokiharju's name and general status as young, puck-moving Chicago defender. This seems like a solid move though. I too am excited for the fireworks it HAS to represent. Unless we're converting to 3 forward lines and 5 d-pairs (but even in that fantasy land we just have forwards to move instead)

Buffalo is going to a 3 man back line. It worked well for Ralph in the EPL.

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20 minutes ago, Thorny said:

What?

Like, not at all. 

Yeah, I've seen the updates. What can I say?   No idea who he was before this, and shocked to here Nylander got swapped straightu p for a promising player.

10 minutes ago, Curt said:

Buffalo is going to a 3 man back line. It worked well for Ralph in the EPL.

Nothing would shock me at this point.

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3 hours ago, dudacek said:

Thing is, this kid is supposed to be NHL ready.

Five years ago, Bogosian, Jokiharju Nelson would have been an improvement on our NHL right side.

As it stands right now they’re all in the press box. WTF is JBot up to?

Building what will be the league's best D corps in 2 seasons 😎

3 minutes ago, Weave said:

Yeah, I've seen the updates. What can I say?   No idea who he was before this, and shocked to here Nylander got swapped straightu p for a promising player.

Nothing would shock me at this point.

My bad, Weave. I jumped the gun in my excitement during my thread-read. Still on page 5. 

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2 hours ago, dudacek said:

I didn’t say both are similar, I said the internet will say this is a landslide for the Sabres, scouts will rank it more evenly.

I’ve barely seen Jokiharju play. But I read too much about hockey, and try to pay attention to both popular and professional opinions and I’m confident that what I posted is a realistic representation of what I’ve read. Use the info however you see fit.

Also, go puck yourself 😋

Agree. Though I think even the scouts may lean towards joe-kee-harr-u on this one. 

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43 minutes ago, shrader said:

What would they be looking to move?

i feel like if he was going to be spun to Florida it would have happened already. Those type of deals always seem to happen within an hour of each other. 

Plus their social media team put up those positive comments on him on twitter and the like. 

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3 hours ago, WildCard said:

He's a RHD, but does he play on the right?

LHD: 

Dahlin, McCabe, Scandella, Pilut

RHD:

Bogosian, Ristolainen, Jokiharju, Montour, Miller, Nelson

I'm assuming Bogo and Risto are gone

I think Bogo eventually, but not necessarily now. Nelson, on the other hand, perhaps JBot also noticed him not defending Jack in the Colorado game. Culture and all that. 

Seems almost TOO obvious that Risto will exit before the season starts. 

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45 minutes ago, Taro T said:

Looks like Botterill is definitely thinking LT. 

Ristolainen out for a 2C if one can be obtained for that plus not too much more.

Bogosian & Scandella walk after this season.  Scandella possibly sooner.

Dahlin & Montour definitely protected from Seattle along with 1 of Miller, McCabe, or Jokiharju.  One of those 2 not protected goes to Seattle leaving those 4 plus Borgen & Pilut with Nelson as a spare and Johnson & Samuelsson waiting for their opportunity.

With Ruotsaleinen, Cozens, Asplund, & Davidsson (who's beastlyness along the boards indicates he's a candidate to slide to wing) on the horizon there is light at the end of that tunnel.  Finally.

I can't see the Sabres losing one of Miller or Jokiharju, maybe they go the 4-4 protection route?

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1 hour ago, tom webster said:

Not sure but you can look it up, Jokiharu was one of a few select rookies that JQ loved

Yes, that's plastered all over the place since the trade.  It's an interesting thought, though I think Botterill would be foolish to make that move unless the return were nothing short of stunning.

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I wonder what Chicago was thinking, because the two players aren't close to comparable.

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5 minutes ago, rakish said:

I wonder what Chicago was thinking, because the two players aren't close to comparable.

I agree.  What are we missing here??

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From all I am reading here this looks to be a nice trade by JBots.  

 

Starting to fill the team with NHL ready talent.  Hoping he can now make a move to bring in a legit 2C.   I’m getting excited again.  

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2 hours ago, WildCard said:

 

This is all you need to know as a Chicago fan to want your GM out of office.  Love this trade, of course.  

The big fireworks come during RFA arbitration and when teams have to figure out how they are going to sign the rest of their roster.  I think Buffalo is setup nicely to make a move.

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24 minutes ago, rakish said:

I wonder what Chicago was thinking, because the two players aren't close to comparable.

Look how Dylan Strome turned his career around when traded to Chicago. Might be expecting more lightening in a bottle.

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3 minutes ago, klos1963 said:

Look how Dylan Strome turned his career around when traded to Chicago. Might be expecting more lightening in a bottle.

Nylander will probably do better than he would have in Buffalo getting to play with Kane and Toews.  Buffalo doesn’t have those kinds of players for him to play with though. Buffalo has a fragile locker room and doesn’t need yet another kid who struggles with motivation. Botterill obviously is obsessed with character and wants none of that. 

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44 minutes ago, Thorny said:

I can't see the Sabres losing one of Miller or Jokiharju, maybe they go the 4-4 protection route?

Was considering that a possibility.  But if they do that they can only protect Eichel, Reinhart, Skinner. & Mittelstadt.  Johansson would be an UFA so if he wants to stay they could have a deal worked out.  But Olofsson would have to be exposed.  Along with Sheary, Thompson, Rodrigues, and whoever Botterill picks up for Ristolainen.  (Asplund would have 3 pro years under his belt too so he might have to be exposed as well.  (Can't recall ottomh & am too tired to look up whether he has to be protected.)

Really doubt Botterill wants to give up the guy he gets for Ristolainen. Especially when he seems to be a D trade whisperer.  (Montour for 29th pick & Guhle; Miller for a 2 & a 5; and Jokiharju for friggin ' Alex Nylander.). They'll still have a very solid D even with losing that 4th guy.  Plus, they may be able to talk Seattle into taking McCabe for an additional 2nd or maybe could get the 8th forward taken for a 1st.  That's still a long way away, but I doubt Botterill will protect his 4th D to lose his 5th F.  That'd why I expect 7-3.

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They should have an ammendment to the expansion draft. If you havent made the playoffs in 7 years or more yoir team is exempt. We wouldnt lose a soul..lol

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8 minutes ago, klos1963 said:

Look how Dylan Strome turned his career around when traded to Chicago. Might be expecting more lightening in a bottle.

Probably do expect that.  But Bowman knew his new coach doesn't like the kid & won't play him, so he went out and took a chance on a kid that could flourish playing next to skill.  If it works out it could be a win-win trade that truly does benefit both teams.  If he doesn't play as a 1or 2 wing, even a 4th liner that plays PP is worth more than a kid the coach has penciled into Peoria.

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3 minutes ago, triumph_communes said:

Nylander will probably do better than he would have in Buffalo getting to play with Kane and Toews.  Buffalo doesn’t have those kinds of players for him to play with though. Buffalo has a fragile locker room and doesn’t need yet another kid who struggles with motivation. Botterill obviously is obsessed with character and wants none of that. 

Good observation.  JBOT is more, "This is your job, you're a professional, you're paid well, you have all the resources at your disposal, now grow up, perform or I'll get you the f*** out."  Actually, it's refreshing.

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Just now, stenbaro said:

They should have an ammendment to the expansion draft. If you havent made the playoffs in 7 years or more yoir team is exempt. We wouldnt lose a soul..lol

The tweak I would've liked to see is teams could protect somewhere between 1-3 skaters (whatever they could get Seattle to agree to) that wouldn't have needed to be protected during the originally scheduled expansion draft but will now need two be protected.  Because they were never going to let all those guys get protected but GM's had already been making moves for that draft (e.g. giving Hutton a 3 year deal to have him exposed in his last year).

So very much dislike that expansion team.  Really hoping they're '74-'75 Caps bad (though it obviously won't happen).

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The guys name is Henri?

There has never been any players named Henri in hockey history that have been any good. BUST!!!

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5 hours ago, dudacek said:

Remember when GA used to complain all the time about our lack of young D?

My wife says this all the time. Not sure what it means tho. 

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Just now, Andrew Amerk said:

The guys name is Henri?

There has never been any players named Henri in hockey history that have been any good. BUST!!!

Pocket Rocket?

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Just now, French Collection said:

Pocket Rocket?

Silly, his name was On-Ree

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