Randall Flagg Posted July 6, 2019 Report Share Posted July 6, 2019 I would say that this signing puts me over the threshold bare minimum for being 'okay' with the big acquisition being a winger rather than a center. Not thrilled, but I'd watch with intrigue. This is under the assumption that there just isn't a reasonable avenue for a very good center this offseason. Man, I thought we were done with this issue, it's so painful to still be discussing it ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted July 6, 2019 Report Share Posted July 6, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, TrueBlueGED said: Well, according to the skater tables at evolving-hockey, Mittelstadt had 884 minutes at evens and Sobotka had 820. Where are you seeing Sobotka had more? I was looking at ES TOI/per game on hockey reference. Mitts played 8 games more than Sobotka, so that’s why he ended the season with a higher total. Like I said in the other post though, they were so close that it doesn’t really matter. Edited July 6, 2019 by Curt I spell bad 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthEbriate Posted July 6, 2019 Report Share Posted July 6, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, inkman said: One more guy ahead of Sobotka on the depth chart. That's all I need to hear. But who will take... left-handed?... faceoffs? ? Edit: Just mocking up lines... all those St. Louis Blues we acquired are outside of the top 12. It's all clouds under the planetary shield at this point, but darn it this latest roster would look good with a ROR-type on line 2. Edited July 6, 2019 by DarthEbriate 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted July 6, 2019 Report Share Posted July 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said: But who will take... left-handed?... faceoffs? ? I don't care if it's Kylo Ren. As long as that bowel movement of a hockey player named Vladimir no longer laces them up at the F'N Center. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted July 6, 2019 Report Share Posted July 6, 2019 12 minutes ago, WildCard said: Botterill moved O'Reilly, supposedly, for locker room stuff. I'm not saying it's everything, but on a younger team with little-to-no playoff experience... Probably part of the Sheary decision too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berg Posted July 6, 2019 Report Share Posted July 6, 2019 An experienced guy who helped Boston win a conference. 11 points in the playoffs is a good contribution. This is a good deal. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted July 6, 2019 Report Share Posted July 6, 2019 12 minutes ago, Zamboni said: Sabres have acquired a few pieces over the last few weeks. Now be prepared for a few to be moved out. And since we have a crowded roster, what does he get in return? Picks? Prospects? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triumph_communes Posted July 6, 2019 Report Share Posted July 6, 2019 Just now, Doohickie said: And since we have a crowded roster, what does he get in return? Picks? Prospects? Most of the guys edging out are waiver trash. He doesn’t need to get anything for them really, just bury them and be done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broken Ankles Posted July 6, 2019 Report Share Posted July 6, 2019 15 minutes ago, TrueBlueGED said: Well, according to the skater tables at evolving-hockey, Mittelstadt had 884 minutes at evens and Sobotka had 820. Where are you seeing Sobotka had more? Games played was 7 more for Casey. Average TOI was more for Vlad in his games played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted July 6, 2019 Report Share Posted July 6, 2019 (edited) Looking at the current roster, even though he’s primarily been an LW, his best fit is probably as Sam’s replacement at RW with Jack and Jeff. He’s got the IQ and the ability to move the puck in that role. Probably one of the factors in convincing him to sign. Edited July 6, 2019 by dudacek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Amerk Posted July 6, 2019 Report Share Posted July 6, 2019 11 minutes ago, Randall Flagg said: I would say that this signing puts me over the threshold bare minimum for being 'okay' with the big acquisition being a winger rather than a center. Not thrilled, but I'd watch with intrigue. This is under the assumption that there just isn't a reasonable avenue for a very good center this offseason. Man, I thought we were done with this issue, it's so painful to still be discussing it ? My feeling is that JBott is still hunting for his 2C. I think the idea is that Johansson is an “insurance” move, in case he doesn’t find what he wants, it gives tinkering options for the lineup. Or, if he does land the 2C he wants, Johansson can fill in when one of our top 3 centers inevitably has an illness or injury. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted July 6, 2019 Report Share Posted July 6, 2019 3 minutes ago, Doohickie said: And since we have a crowded roster, what does he get in return? Picks? Prospects? They can definitely still acquire a good forward. It’s going to be just fine if Girgensons, Larsson, or Okposo starts the season as the 13th forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted July 6, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2019 15 minutes ago, WildCard said: @NS if there was ever a time for it.... In My Best NS Voice EHLERS!!!!!! 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabre fan Posted July 6, 2019 Report Share Posted July 6, 2019 39 minutes ago, TrueBlueGED said: If this is the answer at 2C, then Botterill has still neglected the position. agreed ...not goos enough if you want to compete every night. we need a real 2nd line center that is essential Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted July 6, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2019 He’s good at Zone Exits. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted July 6, 2019 Report Share Posted July 6, 2019 14 minutes ago, Andrew Amerk said: I think the idea is that Johansson is an “insurance” move, in case he doesn’t find what he wants, it gives tinkering options for the lineup. It fits with JBot's MO: Last summer it was Sheary obtained as insurance before landing Skinner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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nfreeman Posted July 6, 2019 Report Share Posted July 6, 2019 41 minutes ago, pastajoe said: It could be a step in the process of freeing up a winger to be traded as part of a deal for a center. 37 minutes ago, TrueBlueGED said: Yea, could definitely be a sweetener from the wings now. Risto+ Sheary/Rodrigues. I can see a winger included as a sweetener (although I'd be inclined more towards "throw-in" as a descriptor), but I don't think anyone is going to give the Sabres anything for any of their wings. 7 minutes ago, dudacek said: Looking at the current roster, even though he’s primarily been an LW, his best fit is probably as Sam’s replacement with Jack and Jeff. He’s got the IQ and the ability to move the puck in that role. Probably one of the factors in convincing him to sign. Interesting, and I would like to see how this looks. I kinda think though that due to supply and demand they are unlikely to bring in a good #2 center between now and the start of the season, so MJ's most likely landing spot is 2C. So maybe: Skinner-Eichel-Vesey Ehlers/other good W coming back for Risto-MJ-Reino Olofsson-Mitts-ERod Sheary-Larsson-KO Separately: I like this acquisition. It's a low-risk, cost-effective move to bring in an experienced pro who has pretty good size and speed, will turn 29 in October, has played a good, productive supporting role on good teams and has won a lot of regular season and playoff games. I still think it's fairly likely that JB scoops up a good forward who pops loose from a cap-strapped team as the RFA dust settles around the league, but this move reduces the urgency of that happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted July 6, 2019 Report Share Posted July 6, 2019 1 minute ago, nfreeman said: I can see a winger included as a sweetener (although I'd be inclined more towards "throw-in" as a descriptor), but I don't think anyone is going to give the Sabres anything for any of their wings. Interesting, and I would like to see how this looks. I kinda think though that due to supply and demand they are unlikely to bring in a good #2 center between now and the start of the season, so MJ's most likely landing spot is 2C. Well, that's mostly because you underrate Sheary and Erod. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted July 6, 2019 Report Share Posted July 6, 2019 The term is what saves this for me. The guy is wildly inconsistent season to season. He's effectively a fill-in until Cozens gets here. Botterill still has a tonne of work to do if he's going to palpably up the average talent level of the team and he really needs to jettison the chaff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted July 6, 2019 Report Share Posted July 6, 2019 3 minutes ago, ... said: Those charts are worthless to me, always have been. I have no idea what all the categories mean. I only know above the line is good, below the line is bad. From a glance they tell me this guy is a middling forward- good at some stuff, not good at other stuff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted July 6, 2019 Report Share Posted July 6, 2019 Just now, ... said: The term is what saves this for me. The guy is wildly inconsistent season to season. He's effectively a fill-in until Cozens gets here. Botterill still has a tonne of work to do if he's going to palpably up the average talent level of the team and he really needs to jettison the chaff. If by that, I hope you don't mean at center. I like the signing a lot as a middle-six winger. That will change the moment I see him at 2C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted July 6, 2019 Report Share Posted July 6, 2019 5 minutes ago, nfreeman said: I don't think anyone is going to give the Sabres anything for any of their wings. I don't know. Buffalo wings are well liked throughout the country. 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted July 6, 2019 Report Share Posted July 6, 2019 I know no one wants Mittelstadt as 2C, but at least botts gave him some better wingers. Skinner - Eichel - Vesey Johansson - Mittelstad - Reinhart Oloffson - Erod - Nylander Thompson - Larsson - Zemgus KO/sheary Or you go with Reinhart as 2C Skinner - Eichel - Vesey Johansson - Reinhart - Oloffson Nylander - Mittelstad - Erod Thompson - Larsson - Zemgus KO/sheary And yes I will keep putting Larsson and Zemgus as our 4th line because they were not the issue last year. Anyway spots will need to be earned this year for sure. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted July 6, 2019 Report Share Posted July 6, 2019 1 minute ago, Doohickie said: Those charts are worthless to me, always have been. I have no idea what all the categories mean. I only know above the line is good, below the line is bad. From a glance they tell me this guy is a middling forward- good at some stuff, not good at other stuff. All you need to know is that if you remove the last two seasons, he's a good, if not very good, addition to the forward ranks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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