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Jimmy Vesey Traded to Sabres for 3rd in 2021

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3 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said:

Yes. Among other items from the blog cited upthread:

When he played away from Howden, his xGA/60 at 5 on 5 went from a 3.03 to a 2.48 and his xGF% per 60 increased from 41.61% to a 51.26% according to Natural Stat Trick.

Yeah, but you said "adequate defensively".

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my binary was missing two bytes. whatever

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3 minutes ago, WildCard said:

Right and I know that, but that doesn't mean their useless picks to have

Meh. It's a better use of a 3rd round pick than Botterill's love of trading up in the draft. 

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Ok --- so he's a 2nd/3rd line tweener (hopefully 3rd for us) that replaces Pominville at half the cost. Essentially a winger for Mitts or ERod this year? Or our mysterious Risto-acquired 2C if that player can generate and carry on his own. For a 3rd round pick. Sure. I'd like a bit more sandpaper though and boardwork from our wingers.

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I'm getting the Blase Thomas Golisano goosebumps!

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2 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said:

Ok --- so he's a 2nd/3rd line tweener (hopefully 3rd for us) that replaces Pominville at half the cost. Essentially a winger for Mitts or ERod this year? Or our mysterious Risto-acquired 2C if that player can generate and carry on his own. For a 3rd round pick. Sure. I'd like a bit more sandpaper though and boardwork from our wingers.

right. It's hard for me to interpret criticism of this move as anything other than disdain for Vesey himself

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Just now, erickompositör72 said:

right. It's hard for me to interpret criticism of this move as anything other than disdain for Vesey himself

Big world, small window.

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1 minute ago, ... said:

I'm getting the Blase Thomas Golisano goosebumps!

That's better than the goosebumps caused by a blase tree goat. I hear those things carry all sorts of foul diseases. Never heard of the blase tree goat of Endor? They're real.

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3 minutes ago, erickompositör72 said:

right. It's hard for me to interpret criticism of this move as anything other than disdain for Vesey himself

Because he chose Rangers over Buffalo? Wouldn't you have? 

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2 minutes ago, nucci said:

Because he chose Rangers over Buffalo? Wouldn't you have? 

On a 2 year entry level deal, two years ago? Absolutely he made the right move coming out of school. Now he's got the chance to pull a Skinner and up his value before becoming UFA. He's just got to deliver. Maaaaaybe he and Jack are really good together, and Vesey can keep up with Jack and Skinner as Pommers couldn't for an entire season. That opens up Reinhart to be the RW on his on line.

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2 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

Lol.  2 3rd rd picks for Jack’s buddy.  He better score 30 as Jack’s wingman.

If he's slated for the first line Botterill needs to be fired immediately.

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This team can really use goal scoring period, whether 2nd, 3rd or 4th line.  Spending a 3rd round pick is a modest investment (Rangers were probably wanting more originally, but now they want Panarin so they cut loose Vesey to create more cap space).  Vesey will want to test the market again as a UFA, so he will be motivated to have a career year.  Buffalo can then maybe recoup the 3rd back from a team looking to add a rental at the trade deadline.

I think this is a good value move.

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1 hour ago, sodbuster said:

I'm really gonna miss booing that guy.

You can still boo him, but for different reasons now.

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1 minute ago, ... said:

If he's slated for the first line Botterill needs to be fired immediately.

I don't think you slate him for 1st line. But those things will sort themselves out --- Kessel ended up a 3rd liner in Pittsburgh for offensive balance. The questions he needs to answer for the summer are: Does Vesey's addition as RW put Thompson in the AHL where he belongs? Does Vesey fill the Pominville gap? etc.

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5 minutes ago, ... said:

If he's slated for the first line Botterill needs to be fired immediately.

He plays LW, he'll be behind Olofsson and Skinner

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7 minutes ago, ... said:

If he's slated for the first line Botterill needs to be fired immediately.

Doubt he's slated there, but unless at least 1 more RW gets brought in, he'll get a look.  And putting a 3rd liner on that line might just work.  It would at minimum put A 1st liner onto the 2nd line.

(And no, not advocating for it at all.  Just saying there might be far worse options.)

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Just now, WildCard said:

He plays LW, he'll be behind Olofsson and Skinner

Unless Olofsson moves to RW

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Just now, Trettioåtta said:

Unless Olofsson moves to RW

He's never played RW, I don't expect him too to make room for Vesey

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37 minutes ago, erickompositör72 said:

I think your implication was obvious, and someone was just picking a fight 😉

it wasn't obvious and I wasn't picking a fight.  He said he hoped he's grown up since then, obvious implication. He has since clarified that. Not a big deal.

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6 minutes ago, WildCard said:

He plays LW, he'll be behind Olofsson and Skinner

They must be planning on trying him at RW or sliding Olofsson over.  Because otherwise they've now got 5 LW's and only 1 useful RW.

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1 minute ago, WildCard said:

He plays LW, he'll be behind Olofsson and Skinner

Yeah -- I see he's listed as LW in some places, but he played RW for the Rangers last year. But yes, if he's LW -- he's behind Skinner and Olofsson, except Olofsson played RW in his callup last year to get top line fun. I treat wingers like TIE fighters --- just throw 'em wherever. But as a center, I fly in the middle of the formation... preferably within a trench.

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20 minutes ago, nucci said:

Because he chose Rangers over Buffalo? Wouldn't you have? 

He chose the Rangers over 30 other teams, not just Buffalo. Murray trading for his rights didn't make us favorites or anything like that.

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