Brawndo Posted October 1, 2019 Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 Yep Lazar and Dea are league minimums, cheaper than Joki. Every 200k counts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted October 1, 2019 Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 Taking advantage of UPL's situation to further bolster the LTIR cushion? Is Pilut going to be shuffled to LTIR as well for similar reasons? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted October 1, 2019 Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, dudacek said: Taking advantage of UPL's situation to further bolster the LTIR cushion? Is Pilut going to be shuffled to LTIR as well for similar reasons? You don’t gain cap space by placing a player on regular IR, which is what happened. You don’t even gain by placing a player on LTIR, just access to, at most, the cap they were taking up on the roster originally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted October 1, 2019 Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Thorny said: You don’t gain cap space by placing a player on regular IR, which is what happened. You don’t even gain by placing a player on LTIR, just access to, at most, the cap they were taking up on the roster originally. I don't understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted October 1, 2019 Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, dudacek said: I don't understand. Your comment re: UPL. Anyone on IR still counts against the cap If a player is placed on LTIR, a team can exceed the cap by the amount that player counts for. Edited October 1, 2019 by Thorny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted October 1, 2019 Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, Thorny said: Your comment re: UPL. Anyone on IR still counts against the cap We're still counting UPL, Bogo, Hunwick and Montour's salaries against the cap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted October 1, 2019 Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, Thorny said: Your comment re: UPL. Anyone on IR still counts against the cap Sure, but then you can place them on LTIR and get that salary relief over the cap if you add a player. So the goal is to get below the cap as much as possible right now to give yourself as much space as possible to go back over the cap later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted October 1, 2019 Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 minute ago, dudacek said: We're still counting UPL, Bogo, Hunwick and Montour's salaries against the cap? This is my understanding, yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted October 1, 2019 Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 From what Taro said, I thought we just maxed our cap out for maximum LTIR savings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted October 1, 2019 Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 Just now, darksabre said: Sure, but then you can place them on LTIR and get that salary relief over the cap if you add a player. So the goal is to get below the cap as much as possible right now to give yourself as much space as possible to go back over the cap later. It’s just not common. Can’t remember the last time we had a player on LTIR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted October 1, 2019 Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 Just now, Thorny said: This is my understanding, yes. Then we're way over the cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted October 1, 2019 Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 minute ago, dudacek said: From what Taro said, I thought we just maxed our cap out for maximum LTIR savings. No one on LTIR yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted October 1, 2019 Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 (edited) Hunwick is already on LTIR Edit: sorry no he's not. Edited October 1, 2019 by darksabre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted October 1, 2019 Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, dudacek said: Taking advantage of UPL's situation to further bolster the LTIR cushion? Is Pilut going to be shuffled to LTIR as well for similar reasons? The LTIR "cushion" was built when Jokiharju and Olofsson were sent down as that left the rest of the total roster cap hit at only ~$200k below the cap. So now, the Sabres team cap (until they get to a point where nobody is on LTIR) is only ~$200k less than the actual salary cap. Anybody now put on LTIR effectively is ignored when calculating the Sabres cap salary vs allowable cap salary. Though the Sabres will be unable to bank any cap space throughout the season unless all cap salaries of all the players (including those on LTIR) drop below the actual league cap. Am expecting Olofsson definitely and Jokiharju almost definitely to be recalled tomorrow. Didn't count total non-IR'd bodies on the roster right now but at least a couple of those callups are to keep at least 20 bodies in Buffalo. (Minimum required roster minus Emergency situation.) Would expect however many need to go down to have the Sabres at 23 get sent down tomorrow. Does Okposo end up 1 of them with Lazar up? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted October 1, 2019 Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, dudacek said: Then we're way over the cap. It does look like UPL won’t count Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted October 1, 2019 Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 minute ago, darksabre said: Hunwick is already on LTIR Not officially prior to today. He was on IR. LTIR only effectively kicks in on day 1 of the league year and the total amount of salaries on the roster (including those that will go onto LTIR) has to be cap compliant on day 1. That's why Olofsson and Jokiharju were waived to get under the cap before using LTIR. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted October 1, 2019 Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, dudacek said: Then we're way over the cap. Don’t think so! Anyways, IR guys still count, it’s a more difficult process to get them to LTIR, will be interesting to see if any end up there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triumph_communes Posted October 1, 2019 Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 He’s maximizing allowable salary today. Opens room up if he decides to trade today. We won’t be able to take on a high salary rental come trade deadline is the con to this tomfoolery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted October 1, 2019 Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, Thorny said: Don’t think so! Anyways, IR guys still count, it’s a more difficult process to get them to LTIR, will be interesting to see if any end up there Bogosian & Hunwick are likely currently now (as of 5PM) on LTIR. Don't know if Montour will be as they'd like to have him back before 10 games / 30(?) days are missed. (Ottomh, think it's 30 days minimum; it might be 24 days.) The 3 guys brought up are most likely recalled post LTIR designation. So the chronology would be: Olofsson & Jokiharju sent down to be cap compliant. LTIR designated guys (and IR designated guys) designated as such to free up roster spaces (all of them) & cap (any declared LTIR) & then the other 3 were brought up. And would expect tomorrow: Olofsson brought up tomorrow with Dea going back down. And likely Lazar, but possibly Okposo, going down as well. With Pilut up, and Jokiharju down, Sabres have 7 healthy D up. So, expecting Jokiharju back up and no other D moves until Montour is healthy. Though to get into gameshape possibly Pilut goes back down. That would leave Sabres with the standard 1 spare forward (Rodrigues) and 2 spare D (2 of Pilut, Gilmour, Scandella, or Jokiharju). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted October 1, 2019 Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 I believe the Sabres only have 6 healthy D if Joki is down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Taro T Posted October 1, 2019 Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 12 minutes ago, triumph_communes said: He’s maximizing allowable salary today. Opens room up if he decides to trade today. We won’t be able to take on a high salary rental come trade deadline is the con to this tomfoolery. He already maximized it. The LTIR guys have been designated, which is how they were able to bring Dea, Pilut, and Lazar back up. They'd be over the cap by about $2MM if the LTIR wasn't included in the day's maneuvers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted October 1, 2019 Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Taro T said: He already maximized it. The LTIR guys have been designated, which is how they were able to bring Dea, Pilut, and Lazar back up. They'd be over the cap by about $2MM if the LTIR wasn't included in the day's maneuvers. So it’s just Hunwick? Edited October 1, 2019 by Thorny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted October 1, 2019 Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, Taro T said: He already maximized it. The LTIR guys have been designated, which is how they were able to bring Dea, Pilut, and Lazar back up. They'd be over the cap by about $2MM if the LTIR wasn't included in the day's maneuvers. I don't think this is correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted October 1, 2019 Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 (edited) Botterill probably waited all summer for this moment, his shining moment of glory in an off-season well-navigated, the fandangling of an extra 2 mil in space so Sobotka and KO could stay on this roster instead of Asplund and Lazar. You did it, JB. Take a bow. See you next summer Edited October 1, 2019 by Thorny 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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