Taro T Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 30 minutes ago, WildCard said: Where else would he possibly play? He was the lead the league in TOI as the top center in Finland, he came over here expecting to play And Antipin was the best KHL D- man when the Sabres took a flyer on him. That didn't exactly work out. Olofsson was studly in Sweden his last season & spent months in Ra-cha-cha. THEN finally got a shot (and worked out great in his brief stint). Wouldn't be pencilling him in just yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 31 minutes ago, Curt said: I believe the situation is that if he does not make the NHL, he is still contractually obligated to play for his Liiga team. However, he can request from his Liiga team that he be allowed to play in the AHL. It has been suggested that if he were to ask, they would probably allow it. Liiga teams do not want be seen as an organization that holds players back from chasing the NHL. It is bad publicity that would have a negative affect on future signings, plus Fins want to see other Fins succeed at the highest level. I think we'll find out relatively soon whether or not he would make that request of the Finnish team. I don't expect him to make the roster out of training camp. And hopefully he does make that request because he could be a great example of one of those mid-season callups who really helps the team after getting that AHL time under his belt. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted July 12, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2019 (edited) NHL.com projected lineup from July 8th https://www.nhl.com/news/sabres-forward-casey-mittelstadt-pleased-with-roster-additions/c-308239878 Forwards Skinner Eichel Reinhart Vesey Mittelstadt Johansson Sheary Rodrigues Okposo Girgensons Larsson Sobotka ex: Wilson My Comment: If this is the opening night roster Jbot has failed. Plain and simple. First, Olofsson is making this team. Second, Okposo is the 4th line RW and Sobotka better be on the bench. I also fully expect a couple of Sheary Erod, Wilson and/or Larsson to move this summer to make room for a 2C and maybe CJ Smith. Defense Dahlin Risto McCabe Montour Scandella Miller ex Bogosian My Comment: I'm firmly in the Risto will be traded camp despite my posts that there are many reasons to keep him. Looking at the forwards, Mitts is not ready to be the guy at 2C. He needs more support and Erod (who I really like) and Larsson don't give the kind of support. We all know this, Sabrespace knows this, Jbot knows this and the other NHL GMs know this. However, all Jbot needs is 2 or 3 competing offers for Risto to get what he needs for this roster. Do agree that we shouldn't trade Risto unless the deal is really really good. Edited July 12, 2019 by GASabresIUFAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted July 12, 2019 Report Share Posted July 12, 2019 (edited) 59 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said: NHL.com projected lineup from July 8th https://www.nhl.com/news/sabres-forward-casey-mittelstadt-pleased-with-roster-additions/c-308239878 Forwards Skinner Eichel Reinhart Vesey Mittelstadt Johansson Sheary Rodrigues Okposo Girgensons Larsson Sobotka ex: Wilson My Comment: If this is the opening night roster Jbot has failed. Plain and simple. First, Olofsson is making this team. Second, Okposo is the 4th line RW and Sobotka better be on the bench. I also fully expect a couple of Sheary Erod, Wilson and/or Larsson to move this summer to make room for a 2C and maybe CJ Smith. Defense Dahlin Risto McCabe Montour Scandella Miller ex Bogosian My Comment: I'm firmly in the Risto will be traded camp despite my posts that there are many reasons to keep him. Looking at the forwards, Mitts is not ready to be the guy at 2C. He needs more support and Erod (who I really like) and Larsson don't give the kind of support. We all know this, Sabrespace knows this, Jbot knows this and the other NHL GMs know this. However, all Jbot needs is 2 or 3 competing offers for Risto to get what he needs for this roster. Do agree that we shouldn't trade Risto unless the deal is really really good. Oh I don't think most agree with you, and JBotts needs to get what he needs before pulling the trigger and that may mean opening day will be... Skinner Eichel Olofsson Mittelstadt Johansson Reinhart Sheary Rodrigues Vesey Girgensons Larsson Okposo ex: Sootka and Wilson Not ideal, but with improved D it is workable till it happens. It also may mean Sabres will be better but not make the playoffs this year. With a little luck they might get a high lottery pick and problem solved either way. Hate waiting but what other choice is there. Edited July 12, 2019 by North Buffalo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted July 12, 2019 Report Share Posted July 12, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, North Buffalo said: Oh I don't think most agree with you, and JBotts needs to get what he needs before pulling the trigger and that may mean opening day will be... Skinner Eichel Olofsson Mittelstadt Johansson Reinhart Sheary Rodrigues Vesey Girgensons Larsson Okposo ex: Sootka and Wilson Not ideal, but with improved D it is workable till it happens. It also may mean Sabres will be better but not make the playoffs this year. With a little luck they might get a high lottery pick and problem solved either way. Hate waiting but what other choice is there. ? Edited July 12, 2019 by WildCard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted July 12, 2019 Report Share Posted July 12, 2019 39 minutes ago, WildCard said: ? I meant to say most agree with you especially for the right price, but it may be later in the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Weave Posted July 12, 2019 Report Share Posted July 12, 2019 1 hour ago, LGR4GM said: What was the take away? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted July 12, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, Weave said: What was the take away? I listened to the podcast Vogl's Lineup (for now) Skinner Eichel Lazar/Sheary - Said Lazar has never had a chance to play with good players and he wants to see what he can do. Olofsson Mitts Reinhart - said Olofsson will be 24 and this his opportunity to prove he is an real NHLer Johansson ERod Thompson/Sheary - Thinks Thompson has much to prove and thinks he could be ready Vesey Sobotka Okposo - had no where else to put Vesey Dahlin Montour McCabe Risto Scandella Miller - Scandella here until Bogo ready ex Jokiharju Duff's lineup Skinner Eichel Vesey - Thinks Jack's buddy could fit here Olofsson ????? Reihhart - Thinks Risto gets moved (but doesn't necessary want him to) to get the 2C Johansson Mitts Sheary/Thompson Smith Routsalainen Okposo - Put together a lineup with an eye toward the kids D similar to Vogl, except pencilling in Risto until traded. Vogl said Dzingel wasn't on Jbot's radar. Mentioned Ana as a possible landing spot for Risto. I looked at Ana's roster and they do need a good RHD, which is fascinating considering how many D they had just a few years ago and then a couple of mediocre trades and a terrible contract for Fowler and the now need a D. Duffer thought any deal involving Risto would include some of the excess depth forwards, like Girgensons. Edited July 12, 2019 by GASabresIUFAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted July 12, 2019 Report Share Posted July 12, 2019 I didn't think I was alone in thinking Lazar wasn't going to be in the top 13 forwards on this team - I don't recall seeing him in any lineups posted here. But there he is with Vogl. What are the chances he sticks around? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted July 12, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, Randall Flagg said: I didn't think I was alone in thinking Lazar wasn't going to be in the top 13 forwards on this team - I don't recall seeing him in any lineups posted here. But there he is with Vogl. What are the chances he sticks around? 5% 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted July 12, 2019 Report Share Posted July 12, 2019 (edited) Having some fun: ~McCabe to LA for ~Toffoli (~ means you can add or subtract small things as needed because I don't really understand the trade value of most players) Ristolainen, Laaksonen, 2nd to Winnipeg for Copp, Ehlers sign Gardiner Fix cap problems as needed (surely someone will take Scandella somewhere somehow please) Skinner - Eichel - Toffoli Ehlers - Copp - Reinhart Olofsson - Mittelstadt - Johansson Girgensons - Larsson - Rodrigues Okposo Dahlin - Montour Gardiner - Miller Pilut/Scandella - Bogosian/Jokiharju Nelson Whoops, forgot Vesey. I wouldn't take anyone out of that lineup for him though. Sheary and Vesey shipped off for picks and cap space heheh Edited July 12, 2019 by Randall Flagg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted July 12, 2019 Report Share Posted July 12, 2019 I think Ehlers - Copp - Reinhart might be the most intriguing line I've ever put together, accidentally or otherwise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted July 12, 2019 Report Share Posted July 12, 2019 I was one of those posters extraordinarily high in Lazar in his draft year and even I doubt he will be in Buffalo. I will say that he could surprise in a Girgensons or Wilson role in the NHL because he’s got a hockey player’s body and is generally smart and disciplined, and that he is such a positive guy Krueger may keep him for that alone. First line is ridiculous. From what I’ve seen of him in the NHL he makes Larsson’s hands look good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted July 12, 2019 Report Share Posted July 12, 2019 If Curtis freaking Lazar is playing wing for Eichel, that's a really bad sign for the season and for every other player he beat out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted July 12, 2019 Report Share Posted July 12, 2019 26 minutes ago, TrueBlueGED said: If Curtis freaking Lazar is playing wing for Eichel, that's a really bad sign for the season and for every other player he beat out. He won't be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted July 12, 2019 Report Share Posted July 12, 2019 On 7/11/2019 at 11:30 AM, WildCard said: Where else would he possibly play? He was the lead the league in TOI as the top center in Finland, he came over here expecting to play He was like the twentieth rated unsigned free agent not playing in the NHL. He is a long shot to ever make the Sabre’s. It will be a great story and a nice coup if he makes it but the odds are heavily against it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted July 12, 2019 Report Share Posted July 12, 2019 I’d be interested in a few forwards from Anaheim: Rakell, Silverberg, even Getzlaf if it’s fair. Not at all interested in Gardiner, he’s Risto with no physicality and a bit better zone exit ability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted July 13, 2019 Report Share Posted July 13, 2019 46 minutes ago, thewookie1 said: I’d be interested in a few forwards from Anaheim: Rakell, Silverberg, even Getzlaf if it’s fair. Not at all interested in Gardiner, he’s Risto with no physicality and a bit better zone exit ability. I am going to respectfully disagree with your comparison. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted July 13, 2019 Report Share Posted July 13, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Brawndo said: I am going to respectfully disagree with your comparison. He strikes me as Risto's opposite in terms of analytics. Risto's are below what he appears to be while Gardiner's are way to high. I've watched him plenty of times, and this graph goes completely against my own eyes which means something isn't right. Edited July 13, 2019 by thewookie1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted July 13, 2019 Report Share Posted July 13, 2019 1 hour ago, thewookie1 said: He strikes me as Risto's opposite in terms of analytics. Risto's are below what he appears to be while Gardiner's are way to high. I've watched him plenty of times, and this graph goes completely against my own eyes which means something isn't right. Yeah, pretty much everyone who does hockey analytics as either a job or a hobby has the same opinion that Risto’s Analytics match his eye test and neither are good. Risto makes every other defenseman on the team worse when paired with him with the exception of Pilut. Adding Gardiner, on the right contract, as a LHD Second Pairing gives the Sabres a legitimate playoff caliber D Corp. The best hope is that Botterill can find a GM who has similar feelings about 55 as you do and improve the team by acquiring a Top 6 Forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsb Posted July 13, 2019 Report Share Posted July 13, 2019 To many trades are coming but for fun with the current roster Skinner-Jack-Vesey.......... Jack's buddy starts the season with him until he proves otherwise Johansson-Casey-Reinhart......... Casey gets 2 vets who can play center to break him in and Johansson can help carry the puck in Olofsson/Sheary--ERod--Sheary/Thompson........... Could be pretty good, could be pretty bad Girgs-Larsson-Okposo........... Somebody has to play the PK and although none of them is a scoring threat they'll hustle and play D Dahlin-Montour McCabe-Risto Pilut/Scandella/Bogosian--Miller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted July 13, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2019 (edited) Lineup - projected based upon who is actually under contract and on a one way contract. Skinner Eichel Vesey Johansson Mitts Reinhart Wilson Sobotka Sheary Girgensons Larsson Okposo ex: Lazar Dahlin Montour Scandella Ristolainen Gilmour Miller Ex: Hunwick Nelson, Bogosian (Ir) Hutton Hammond (Prospects: Olofsson, Thompson, Pilut-IR, Jokiharju,) (RFAs: McCabe, ERod, Ullmark) Edited July 13, 2019 by GASabresIUFAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broken Ankles Posted July 13, 2019 Report Share Posted July 13, 2019 3 hours ago, thewookie1 said: He strikes me as Risto's opposite in terms of analytics. Risto's are below what he appears to be while Gardiner's are way to high. I've watched him plenty of times, and this graph goes completely against my own eyes which means something isn't right. I agree that Gardiner is not as good as the #objectiveevidence (?) suggests. If he was, the nerd running the Leafs would have prioritized his resigning. But he didn’t. Dubas loves analytics and knows more about them than those at evolving, or us. Also note if their #secretsauce were anything of substance, they too would be working for Dubas. The fact is evolving and other statisticians update the coefficients on the categories used for expected goals and WAR year over year looking to refine their proofs. While I have learned so much this last year from those who post here as it relates to the underlying metrics (for which I’m grateful) I reject the singular argument which says look at this chart which weights shot type over shot distance or shot angle over rebounds as #objectiveevidence. It was so refreshing to see Flagg reference going to watch video to make a decision on a player. A GM like validation. Bravo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted July 13, 2019 Report Share Posted July 13, 2019 2 hours ago, Brawndo said: Adding Gardiner, on the right contract, as a LHD Second Pairing gives the Sabres a legitimate playoff caliber D Corp. Gardiner has a bad back and is a defensive liability. Totally over valued and as we have seen, many GMs agree. Two years ago the Bruins shredded him in the post season and he's never fully gotten over that. I would not touch him under any circumstances. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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