triumph_communes Posted June 29, 2019 Report Share Posted June 29, 2019 7 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said: With the addition of Miller the defense has added more O talent and skating, but has it added an improvement on D? Pilut and Bogo's status is unknown and will be for months. They are possibly out until early next season. That leaves the healthy D group right now as follows Dahlin Montour McCabe Ristolainen Scandella Miller Hunwick Nelson Bogo - IR This trade is almost a sure indication that Pilut and Borgen are Rochester bound for now. It also doesn't necessary means that Risto is gone as the above depth chart shows, but why acquire two puck moving RD (Montour and Miller) if you don't move on from Risto? The biggest issue with moving Risto is who picks up the physical game with Bogo injured, Borgen in the minors and Risto gone? Also when is Jbot getting us a true defensive defenseman? Pilot is on IR. He is also a lock for the NHL, worst case just after a short recovery stint because he has that option. The Miller acquisition does not necessitate a trade, but once Pilut and Bogo heal up, it does. Remember, Krueger and Botterill were very worried in interviews weeks ago about starting the season with, in their words, ‘two of their six defenders on IR’. This trade helps with that on its own. What it does do is give Botterill a lot of flexibility: If he wants to trade Risto on July 1st, he can do so without having to scramble for scraps to replace him while we wait on the other prospects like Borgen to make their way up. If he doesn’t find the Risto trade he wants, he keeps him. There won’t be a need to trade away the excess defender until November timeframe and they can choose between many options that can all be easily moved for low draft picks if needed. By then camp is over the season has started and it will be easier to make the decision on who to trade or cut. No defenseman on the roster has an albatross multi year contract that can’t be moved or easily buried. Beyond just the analytics and the player Miller himself, one of the best parts about the trade is the flexibility it gives Botterill going into both next week, but the start of the season as well. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted June 29, 2019 Report Share Posted June 29, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said: With the addition of Miller the defense has added more O talent and skating, but has it added an improvement on D? Pilut and Bogo's status is unknown and will be for months. They are possibly out until early next season. That leaves the healthy D group right now as follows Dahlin Montour McCabe Ristolainen Scandella Miller Hunwick Nelson Bogo - IR This trade is almost a sure indication that Pilut and Borgen are Rochester bound for now. It also doesn't necessary means that Risto is gone as the above depth chart shows, but why acquire two puck moving RD (Montour and Miller) if you don't move on from Risto? The biggest issue with moving Risto is who picks up the physical game with Bogo injured, Borgen in the minors and Risto gone? Also when is Jbot getting us a true defensive defenseman? I think the team defense will be improved from the addition of Miller because he helps to keep the puck out of the Dzone in the first place. That’s the best kind of defense. Both Miller and Pilut have done a very good job of preventing the opposition from getting many shots on goal. With regards to the team getting a true defensive defenseman, I would say that’s McCabe, with Borgen coming soon, then Samuelsson, then Johnson. They are in the system. I understand if you want to acquire a bonified top 4 defensive stud who can also transition the puck out of the Dzone and dominate on #1 PK. I think we all would. I would think that player would be quite expensive to acquire though. Edited June 29, 2019 by Curtisp5286 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted June 30, 2019 Report Share Posted June 30, 2019 Start penciling in R2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted July 1, 2019 Report Share Posted July 1, 2019 (edited) https://www.nhl.com/sabres/news/buffalo-sabres-free-agency-recap-curtis-lazar-andrew-hammond/c-308156632 Quote "We still think having cap space is something of an asset to our organization right now and we'll continue to have conversations with different teams to see how that plays out," Botterill said. "But to say I know exactly when it's going to heat up, it's a difficult thing to project. "I never would have guessed that we would have picked up a player like Jeff Skinner in the middle of summer last year, but I think it's important that we stay in those dialogues throughout the league to see whenever that might materialize, whether it's later on this week, in a couple weeks or in the start of September." To me this quote as a whole reads as if, while Botterill is certainly keeping in on the discussions, Botterill sees additions going forward this summer as unpredictable rather than the goal, and therefore may be comfortable with the roster as currently constructed. Certainly a ways away from "roster surgery". How do we feel with this line-up headed into next season, if that does indeed play out: Skinner - Eichel - Vesey Olofsson - Mittelstadt - Reinhart Sheary - Rodrigues - Okposo Girgensons - Larsson - Thompson Dahlin - Miller McCabe - Montour Scandella - Ristolainen Thoughts? Edited July 1, 2019 by Thorny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted July 1, 2019 Report Share Posted July 1, 2019 6 minutes ago, Thorny said: https://www.nhl.com/sabres/news/buffalo-sabres-free-agency-recap-curtis-lazar-andrew-hammond/c-308156632 To me this quote as a whole reads as if, while Botterill is certainly keeping in on the discussions, Botterill sees additions going forward this summer as unpredictable rather than the goal, and therefore may be comfortable with the roster as currently constructed. How do we feel with this line-up headed into next season, if that does indeed play out: Skinner - Eichel - Vesey Olofsson - Mittelstadt - Reinhart Sheary - Rodrigues - Okposo Girgensons - Larsson - Thompson Dahlin - Miller McCabe - Montour Scandella - Ristolainen Thoughts? Yeech. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogelthorpe Posted July 1, 2019 Report Share Posted July 1, 2019 10 minutes ago, Thorny said: https://www.nhl.com/sabres/news/buffalo-sabres-free-agency-recap-curtis-lazar-andrew-hammond/c-308156632 To me this quote as a whole reads as if, while Botterill is certainly keeping in on the discussions, Botterill sees additions going forward this summer as unpredictable rather than the goal, and therefore may be comfortable with the roster as currently constructed. Certainly a ways away from "roster surgery". How do we feel with this line-up headed into next season, if that does indeed play out: Skinner - Eichel - Vesey Olofsson - Mittelstadt - Reinhart Sheary - Rodrigues - Okposo Girgensons - Larsson - Thompson Dahlin - Miller McCabe - Montour Scandella - Ristolainen Thoughts? Pick in the top 10 overall again 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tondas Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 48 minutes ago, Thorny said: https://www.nhl.com/sabres/news/buffalo-sabres-free-agency-recap-curtis-lazar-andrew-hammond/c-308156632 To me this quote as a whole reads as if, while Botterill is certainly keeping in on the discussions, Botterill sees additions going forward this summer as unpredictable rather than the goal, and therefore may be comfortable with the roster as currently constructed. Certainly a ways away from "roster surgery". How do we feel with this line-up headed into next season, if that does indeed play out: Skinner - Eichel - Vesey Olofsson - Mittelstadt - Reinhart Sheary - Rodrigues - Okposo Girgensons - Larsson - Thompson Dahlin - Miller McCabe - Montour Scandella - Ristolainen Thoughts? 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 51 minutes ago, Thorny said: https://www.nhl.com/sabres/news/buffalo-sabres-free-agency-recap-curtis-lazar-andrew-hammond/c-308156632 To me this quote as a whole reads as if, while Botterill is certainly keeping in on the discussions, Botterill sees additions going forward this summer as unpredictable rather than the goal, and therefore may be comfortable with the roster as currently constructed. Certainly a ways away from "roster surgery". How do we feel with this line-up headed into next season, if that does indeed play out: Skinner - Eichel - Vesey Olofsson - Mittelstadt - Reinhart Sheary - Rodrigues - Okposo Girgensons - Larsson - Thompson Dahlin - Miller McCabe - Montour Scandella - Ristolainen Thoughts? You know it’s been about 8 hours since free agency started and there are 2+ months before next season begins? I doubt Botterill is thinking he is all set. Maybe give it a couple weeks. Everyone agrees that the team needs a better Center to really be competitive. It doesn’t need to be relitigated every day. It would seem that Botterill is going to be patient with this and look for that value acquisition. To your actual question: I don’t think those forward lines look great. Probably would have a tough time making the playoffs with that. They probably need to add a #2C, just like yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 2 hours ago, Thorny said: https://www.nhl.com/sabres/news/buffalo-sabres-free-agency-recap-curtis-lazar-andrew-hammond/c-308156632 To me this quote as a whole reads as if, while Botterill is certainly keeping in on the discussions, Botterill sees additions going forward this summer as unpredictable rather than the goal, and therefore may be comfortable with the roster as currently constructed. Certainly a ways away from "roster surgery". How do we feel with this line-up headed into next season, if that does indeed play out: Skinner - Eichel - Vesey Olofsson - Mittelstadt - Reinhart Sheary - Rodrigues - Okposo Girgensons - Larsson - Thompson Dahlin - Miller McCabe - Montour Scandella - Ristolainen Thoughts? Based on Sean Tierney’s WAR Lineup Creator that’s a projected 69 Point Team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Curtisp5286 said: You know it’s been about 8 hours since free agency started and there are 2+ months before next season begins? I doubt Botterill is thinking he is all set. Maybe give it a couple weeks. Everyone agrees that the team needs a better Center to really be competitive. It doesn’t need to be relitigated every day. It would seem that Botterill is going to be patient with this and look for that value acquisition. To your actual question: I don’t think those forward lines look great. Probably would have a tough time making the playoffs with that. They probably need to add a #2C, just like yesterday. I said "if", calm down. The second bolded is also "obnoxious", as it were. Besides, the "everyone agrees" bit seems a little presumptuous considering our very GM didn't think we needed another quality centre as recently as last year. Edited July 2, 2019 by Thorny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 42 minutes ago, Brawndo said: Based on Sean Tierney’s WAR Lineup Creator that’s a projected 69 Point Team. Nice. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 31 minutes ago, Thorny said: I said "if", calm down. The second bolded is also "obnoxious", as it were. Besides, the "everyone agrees" bit seems a little presumptuous considering our very GM didn't think we needed another quality centre as recently as last year. Yeah, you are right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 11 hours ago, Brawndo said: Based on Sean Tierney’s WAR Lineup Creator that’s a projected 69 Point Team. There's just no way, given that right side on defense especially, that we're done making moves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 1 hour ago, WildCard said: There's just no way, given that right side on defense especially, that we're done making moves Quote “I never would have guessed that we would have picked up a player like Jeff Skinner in the middle of the summer last year,” Botterill said. “It’s important that we stay in those dialogues throughout the league to see whenever that might materialize, whether it’s later on this week, in a couple weeks or more in the start of September.” Per John Vogl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader1969 Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 12 hours ago, Brawndo said: Based on Sean Tierney’s WAR Lineup Creator that’s a projected 69 Point Team. should we start the 2020 Draft thread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 1 minute ago, Crusader1969 said: should we start the 2020 Draft thread? Good God man 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said: should we start the 2020 Draft thread? 2 minutes ago, WildCard said: Good God man The Top Ten In 2020 is deeper than the 2019 Draft. *Logs Off for the Month Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader1969 Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 This team should have been flush with young prospects filling in the depth forward ranks, so many traded away by Murray. Unfortunately, unless one of the goalies has a "career" season, I think we are again talking about a top 5 pick. Then again, there is a long way to go before training camp. Lets see what other teams need to move out a contract or two. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said: This team should have been flush with young prospects filling in the depth forward ranks, so many traded away by Murray. Unfortunately, unless one of the goalies has a "career" season, I think we are again talking about a top 5 pick. Then again, there is a long way to go before training camp. Lets see what other teams need to move out a contract or two. We almost certainly do not have Dahlin, but I do wonder what the team would look like today had they hired Botterill in 2014 rather than Murray. Given the fact that Botterill is building thru the draft and targeted trades Edited July 2, 2019 by Brawndo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said: should we start the 2020 Draft thread? Was thinking same thing this morning but it made me ? Edited July 2, 2019 by North Buffalo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triumph_communes Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 Skinner-Eichel-Oloffson Sheary-Mittelstadt-Reinhart Smith-Rodrigues/Ruotsalainen-Vesey Girgensons-Larsson-Okposo Wilson/Sobotka/Elie waived Thompson and Nylander injury callups Dahlin-Montour McCabe-Ristolainen Scandella-Miller Hunwick/Nelson one waived Pilut to push Scandella or McCabe out of the lineup when healthy. Bogosian to kick the remaining 7th dman back when he’s healthy So, much, competition here, coming from young guys, fringe guys, and old vets. Nobody’s spot is safe, pretty crazy. Only Okposo is getting gifted minutes imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, triumph_communes said: Skinner-Eichel-Oloffson Sheary-Mittelstadt-Reinhart Smith-Rodrigues/Ruotsalainen-Vesey Girgensons-Larsson-Okposo Wilson/Sobotka/Elie waived Thompson and Nylander injury callups Dahlin-Montour McCabe-Ristolainen Scandella-Miller Hunwick/Nelson one waived Pilut to push Scandella or McCabe out of the lineup when healthy. Bogosian to kick the remaining 7th dman back when he’s healthy So, much, competition here, coming from young guys, fringe guys, and old vets. Nobody’s spot is safe, pretty crazy. Only Okposo is getting gifted minutes imo I'm going to keep beating this dead horse, but Olofsson is not playing RW guys Edited July 2, 2019 by WildCard 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triumph_communes Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, WildCard said: I'm going to keep beating this dead horse, but Olofsson is not playing RW guys Both Oloffson and Vesey will play RW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 (edited) 25 minutes ago, triumph_communes said: Both Oloffson and Vesey will play RW But he won't, he never has. I don't understand why people think he suddenly will Edited July 2, 2019 by WildCard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader1969 Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 (edited) 32 minutes ago, WildCard said: I'm going to keep beating this dead horse, but Olofsson is not playing RW guys thanks was just about to post the same thing plus not sure I would want but small snipers on the same line. Edited July 2, 2019 by Crusader1969 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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