MakeSabresGrr8Again Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Scottysabres said: He's nothing like Larsson from what I've seen. He's big, and can hold his own in front of the net. Jankowski centering Larsson and Girgs? Yea, that's an upgrade I can get behind. Sure beats doing nothing. Let's see if I can beat @inkman to the punch...... Maybe he should try holding his hockey stick instead. Edited November 21, 2019 by MakeSabresGrr8Again 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 57 minutes ago, Scottysabres said: Their fans are looking for mid to bottom pairing kind of guy. Maybe a potential trade has more than player for player. So we are using trade capital on a player that hasn't scored in 21 games again why? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 6 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: So we are using trade capital on a player that hasn't scored in 21 games again why? Atleast that wouldn't mess with team chemistry...... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, Derrico said: Atleast that wouldn't mess with team chemistry...... To laugh or to cry, that is the question. I choose laughter! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, Derrico said: Atleast that wouldn't mess with team chemistry...... "A perfect fit!", he exclaimed, heaving another bag of garbage into the dumpster. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 The only thing that will actually improve this team is a meaningful addition of talent to the top 6. Everything else is lipstick on a pig. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 (edited) 47 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: The only thing that will actually improve this team is a meaningful addition of talent to the top 6. Everything else is lipstick on a pig. That's an insult to the pig at this point Edited November 21, 2019 by WildCard 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottysabres Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 1 hour ago, LGR4GM said: So we are using trade capital on a player that hasn't scored in 21 games again why? So addressing bottom 6 needs should be ignored? I fail to see the counter point here. Since we don't have any idea as to cost. It could be as simple as Girgs and a pick for Jankowski and a pick, or some other arrangement. Trades aren't solely based on known quantities, some are on roles, fit, position need and so on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, Scottysabres said: So addressing bottom 6 needs should be ignored? I fail to see the counter point here. Since we don't have any idea as to cost. It could be as simple as Girgs and a pick for Jankowski and a pick, or some other arrangement. Trades aren't solely based on known quantities, some are on roles, fit, position need and so on. My counter point is pretty simple. What does this do to help this team? Does it increase our scoring? Yes addressing the bottom 6 should be ignored because until the top 6 is fixed it doesn't matter. Great we add Jankowski and swap out Zemgus. What's that get us? Honest question are we talking what? a win or 2 maybe? It's a pointless move that doesn't address the real issue which is scoring and possession. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 1 minute ago, LGR4GM said: My counter point is pretty simple. What does this do to help this team? Does it increase our scoring? Yes addressing the bottom 6 should be ignored because until the top 6 is fixed it doesn't matter. Great we add Jankowski and swap out Zemgus. What's that get us? Honest question are we talking what? a win or 2 maybe? It's a pointless move that doesn't address the real issue which is scoring and possession. Then there are the guys currently in top 6 roles who are much better suited for bottom 6. They get bumped back down so addressing the top 6 also addresses the bottom 6. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 5 minutes ago, shrader said: Then there are the guys currently in top 6 roles who are much better suited for bottom 6. They get bumped back down so addressing the top 6 also addresses the bottom 6. Correct. We took a step by being able to force prospects down to the AHL (not all but at least most). The next step is to kick bottom 6 players out and replace them with middle 6 and even potentially top 6 guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetlou Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 So Calgary can take Bogo and Erod for Jankowski and Frolik. No big moves just change of scenery and giving them RD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, sweetlou said: So Calgary can take Bogo and Erod for Jankowski and Frolik. No big moves just change of scenery and giving them RD. How does that help us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottysabres Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 8 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: My counter point is pretty simple. What does this do to help this team? Does it increase our scoring? Yes addressing the bottom 6 should be ignored because until the top 6 is fixed it doesn't matter. Great we add Jankowski and swap out Zemgus. What's that get us? Honest question are we talking what? a win or 2 maybe? It's a pointless move that doesn't address the real issue which is scoring and possession. Well that's just foolish imo. Every GM should be looking to address areas of need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetlou Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: How does that help us? Helps bottom 6. SHeary and ERod need to go. We need bigger, stronger players who won't be pushed around. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Scottysabres said: Well that's just foolish imo. Every GM should be looking to address areas of need. How is that an area of need? What's he going to do? Help the 4th line not score more? 6 minutes ago, sweetlou said: Helps bottom 6. SHeary and ERod need to go. We need bigger, stronger players who won't be pushed around. Yea yea I have heard this argument consistently. We need players who go to the dirty areas and score. Jankowski might go to the dirty areas but he's not going to chip in much. Shrader pointed out the reason you address the top 6 first. Would you trade Milan Lucic for Reinhart straight up? Edited November 21, 2019 by LGR4GM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted November 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 How about Andrew Mangiapane? 23 year old would be more expensive than McCabe or Scandella. Probably Pilut, Bryson or Borgen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottysabres Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 13 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: How is that an area of need? What's he going to do? Help the 4th line not score more? Yea yea I have heard this argument consistently. We need players who go to the dirty areas and score. Jankowski might go to the dirty areas but he's not going to chip in much. Shrader pointed out the reason you address the top 6 first. Would you trade Milan Lucic for Reinhart straight up? If you haven't recognized PK, center fo% and net front presence size as area needs, well (shrugs shoulders). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 1 minute ago, Scottysabres said: If you haven't recognized PK, center fo% and net front presence size as area needs, well (shrugs shoulders). What he's saying is that adding a player who can do those things but does stuff like go 21 games with zero points probably doesn't move the needle on the season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottysabres Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 34 minutes ago, Randall Flagg said: What he's saying is that adding a player who can do those things but does stuff like go 21 games with zero points probably doesn't move the needle on the season I understand. Was merely pointing out offensive production isn't the only area 0f need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drag0nDan Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 On 11/14/2019 at 12:32 PM, thewookie1 said: I’m not trading Mitts in any trade involving the names mentioned. The only guys worth a recent 1st rounder who has a lot of skill but has had some bumps would be Dumba, and maybe a half retained Suter since he’d eat minutes. Do teams actively covet Mitts? Cuz i watch him and think... he kinda... sucks. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 20 minutes ago, Drag0nDan said: Do teams actively covet Mitts? Cuz i watch him and think... he kinda... sucks. He is too much of a video game millenial imo... unmotivated with a lot of talent. He needs that fire in his belly and I just dont see it. Maybe a running mate would inspire him like Cozens or someone needs to really piss him off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 Lots of bad takes on poor Casey here. Kid is talented but not NHL ready and that's all there is to it. He should be in the A right now but he's not. It's got nothing to do with motivation or skill. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 4 hours ago, darksabre said: A modest upgrade on Johan Larsson is not inspiring. I'm really not sure it would be. If Botterill's answer is to acquire a guy with ZERO points, you'd honestly have to give him an "A" for entertainment value. The dialogue that would ensue...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 3 hours ago, LGR4GM said: So we are using trade capital on a player that hasn't scored in 21 games again why? I dunno, ask Jimmy Vesey what they told him.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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