repster Posted June 29, 2019 Report Share Posted June 29, 2019 (edited) Edited June 29, 2019 by repster 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kas23 Posted June 29, 2019 Report Share Posted June 29, 2019 9 minutes ago, repster said: After Miller deal, Dreger thinks Risto is still staying https://mobile.twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/1144963700706684928 I agree with this. Don’t move Risto unless something very attractive is coming back to us. We don’t need another ROR and we certain have no need to move Risto. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted June 29, 2019 Report Share Posted June 29, 2019 Deger is wrong. They can't keep Risto now. Reducing his role on this team is only going to make things worse. He's not going to get better with a reduced work load and it's going to crush his trade value. Plus they have too many defensemen they need to protect for the expansion draft now. Risto is gone. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted June 29, 2019 Report Share Posted June 29, 2019 12 minutes ago, darksabre said: Deger is wrong. They can't keep Risto now. Reducing his role on this team is only going to make things worse. He's not going to get better with a reduced work load and it's going to crush his trade value. Plus they have too many defensemen they need to protect for the expansion draft now. Risto is gone. Even if Ristolainen gets traded, they'll still have too many D to protect & likely either McCabe or Pilut gets snagged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kas23 Posted June 29, 2019 Report Share Posted June 29, 2019 54 minutes ago, darksabre said: Deger is wrong. They can't keep Risto now. Reducing his role on this team is only going to make things worse. He's not going to get better with a reduced work load and it's going to crush his trade value. Plus they have too many defensemen they need to protect for the expansion draft now. Risto is gone. Yes, but there’s no rush and no deadline to move him. Send him out when the return is highest. This may even be during the 1st half of the season when injuries start mounting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted June 29, 2019 Report Share Posted June 29, 2019 Risto to LA for Martinez, Iafalo and ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted June 29, 2019 Report Share Posted June 29, 2019 I hope we don't trade Risto to LA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted June 29, 2019 Report Share Posted June 29, 2019 12 minutes ago, Randall Flagg said: I hope we don't trade Risto to LA. Why Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Randall Flagg Posted June 29, 2019 Report Share Posted June 29, 2019 1 hour ago, GASabresIUFAN said: Why I don't like their assets, and I have a very specific roster target in mind if I'm moving Risto, and will add to him substantially to make it happen if I have to. And LA ain't got anything close. And I'm not trading Risto in a trade where the returning player doesn't come close, and being content to fill the remaining trade value gap with freaking picks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabresparaavida Posted June 29, 2019 Report Share Posted June 29, 2019 1 minute ago, Randall Flagg said: I don't like their assets, and I have a very specific roster target in mind if I'm moving Risto, and will add to him substantially to make it happen if I have to. And LA ain't got anything close. And I'm not trading Risto in a trade where the returning player doesn't come close, and being content to fill the remaining trade value gap with freaking picks Who is your specific roster target? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted June 29, 2019 Report Share Posted June 29, 2019 1 minute ago, Randall Flagg said: I don't like their assets, and I have a very specific roster target in mind if I'm moving Risto, and will add to him substantially to make it happen if I have to. And LA ain't got anything close. And I'm not trading Risto in a trade where the returning player doesn't come close, and being content to fill the remaining trade value gap with freaking picks I apologize if I missed it but can I get a couple of examples of your ideal trade scenario? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted June 29, 2019 Report Share Posted June 29, 2019 1 minute ago, sabresparaavida said: Who is your specific roster target? A 2C, any 2C, get creative Jason! 1 minute ago, tom webster said: I apologize if I missed it but can I get a couple of examples of your ideal trade scenario? Lol I'm pretty bad at accurately judging trade value, but I can try. Ristolainen, Nylander for Granlund Ristolainen for AA from Detroit Risto for Kadri Ristolainen, stuff for Trocheck Ristolainen, Mitts for Cirelli, cap dumps to make it work (tampa cap dumps would likely be productive NHLers still) The value needs to be tweaked on all of these, of course, but I just want them to identify a 2C that can be here for a while, and build something to make it happen. I know "it takes two to tango" and blah blah blah, but I have high expectations for somebody who turned our center depth (which was our only strength) into the worst in the league when ranking spines below the 1C. Teams are out there struggling with contracts and the cap, teams really like Ristolainen, something GOOD at that position, this offseason, is possible and I hope he's a go-getter. If we're not trading Ristolainen to do it, there are some freaking glorious RFAs worth emptying the vault for. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted June 29, 2019 Report Share Posted June 29, 2019 15 minutes ago, Randall Flagg said: I don't like their assets, and I have a very specific roster target in mind if I'm moving Risto, and will add to him substantially to make it happen if I have to. And LA ain't got anything close. And I'm not trading Risto in a trade where the returning player doesn't come close, and being content to fill the remaining trade value gap with freaking picks What if the trades gives assets that Jbot uses to acquire a 2nd line center? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted June 29, 2019 Report Share Posted June 29, 2019 Risto for Mike Hoffman would give me warm and fuzzies in my pants. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted June 29, 2019 Report Share Posted June 29, 2019 27 minutes ago, Hoss said: Risto for Mike Hoffman would give me warm and fuzzies in my pants. I know I’m the guy that says wingers are interchangeable but I’m not comfortable trading Risto for a left winger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted June 29, 2019 Report Share Posted June 29, 2019 34 minutes ago, Randall Flagg said: A 2C, any 2C, get creative Jason! Lol I'm pretty bad at accurately judging trade value, but I can try. Ristolainen, Nylander for Granlund Ristolainen for AA from Detroit Risto for Kadri Ristolainen, stuff for Trocheck Ristolainen, Mitts for Cirelli, cap dumps to make it work (tampa cap dumps would likely be productive NHLers still) The value needs to be tweaked on all of these, of course, but I just want them to identify a 2C that can be here for a while, and build something to make it happen. I know "it takes two to tango" and blah blah blah, but I have high expectations for somebody who turned our center depth (which was our only strength) into the worst in the league when ranking spines below the 1C. Teams are out there struggling with contracts and the cap, teams really like Ristolainen, something GOOD at that position, this offseason, is possible and I hope he's a go-getter. If we're not trading Ristolainen to do it, there are some freaking glorious RFAs worth emptying the vault for. You'd trade more for Cirelli than Trocheck? Or is your "stuff" in the above scenario significant? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted June 29, 2019 Report Share Posted June 29, 2019 4 minutes ago, tom webster said: I know I’m the guy that says wingers are interchangeable but I’m not comfortable trading Risto for a left winger Mike Hoffman would be the second-best forward on the team immediately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted June 29, 2019 Report Share Posted June 29, 2019 1 minute ago, Hoss said: Mike Hoffman would be the second-best forward on the team immediately. I challenge you to make a definitive case he's better than Reinhart and Skinner. Those 3 are all on the same level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted June 29, 2019 Report Share Posted June 29, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, TrueBlueGED said: You'd trade more for Cirelli than Trocheck? Or is your "stuff" in the above scenario significant? I know my value is way off in there, just try to look at the spirit of the post! FWIW, I value Cirelli more than Trocheck and think he's going to be a better player. But I believe you're right that this is likely not how GMs would see it, that Trocheck is better now and in the same mold, and that I could be wayyyyyyy wrong, but when I have narratives I ride them hard Edited June 29, 2019 by Randall Flagg 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted June 29, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Hoss said: Risto for Mike Hoffman would give me warm and fuzzies in my pants. 39 minutes ago, Hoss said: Mike Hoffman would be the second-best forward on the team immediately. Risto for a Winger on an expiring contract appears to be an overpay by the Sabres 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tom webster Posted June 29, 2019 Report Share Posted June 29, 2019 I’m starting to think that Aho might get an offer sheet. Lot of Carolina rumors regarding other centers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted June 29, 2019 Report Share Posted June 29, 2019 1 minute ago, tom webster said: I’m starting to think that Aho might get an offer sheet. Lot of Carolina rumors regarding other centers. If this happens Buffalo must be one of 4 or 5 teams that have the cap space and (potentially) will to pull something like that off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted June 29, 2019 Report Share Posted June 29, 2019 19 minutes ago, tom webster said: I’m starting to think that Aho might get an offer sheet. Lot of Carolina rumors regarding other centers. 18 minutes ago, Derrico said: If this happens Buffalo must be one of 4 or 5 teams that have the cap space and (potentially) will to pull something like that off. Let's hope. Would rather offer sheet him than Marner. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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