dudacek Posted June 20, 2019 Report Share Posted June 20, 2019 41 minutes ago, Hoss said: Arizona is so lost. They’re just moving dudes in and out with absolutely no semblance of a plan. Analytics! ? 8 minutes ago, steveoath said: Looks like Callahan won't be a cap dump anywhere now. LTIR due to a degenerative back disease. What, not jock itch? The NHL makes me sick with this stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted June 20, 2019 Report Share Posted June 20, 2019 I continue to wait for the first impact player to be lost due to cap restrictions. Maybe it will be Marner but I’m not betting on it. I have been hearing the same thing since Andy Messersmith joined the Braves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted June 20, 2019 Report Share Posted June 20, 2019 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Hoss said: Arizona is so lost. They’re just moving dudes in and out with absolutely no semblance of a plan. 12 minutes ago, dudacek said: Analytics! ? I tend to agree, but they had 6 more wins than we did last year. 5 minutes ago, tom webster said: I continue to wait for the first impact player to be lost due to cap restrictions. Maybe it will be Marner but I’m not betting on it. I have been hearing the same thing since Andy Messersmith joined the Braves. Teravainen wasn't traded all too long ago because of the cap. Edit: And even if the Leafs manage to keep Marner (as I expect they will), losing Kapanen because of Marleau's contract isn't exactly a trivial loss. It doesn't always matter, but it shouldn't just be dismissed. Edited June 20, 2019 by TrueBlueGED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted June 20, 2019 Report Share Posted June 20, 2019 7 minutes ago, dudacek said: Analytics! ? What, not jock itch? The NHL makes me sick with this stuff. It’s not just the NHL. Cap manipulation has become an art form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted June 20, 2019 Report Share Posted June 20, 2019 8 minutes ago, tom webster said: I continue to wait for the first impact player to be lost due to cap restrictions. Maybe it will be Marner but I’m not betting on it. I have been hearing the same thing since Andy Messersmith joined the Braves. JP Dumont? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted June 20, 2019 Report Share Posted June 20, 2019 15 minutes ago, tom webster said: I continue to wait for the first impact player to be lost due to cap restrictions. Maybe it will be Marner but I’m not betting on it. I have been hearing the same thing since Andy Messersmith joined the Braves. It's not about losing the impact player. It's about having the ability to surround the impact player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted June 20, 2019 Report Share Posted June 20, 2019 Just now, Derrico said: It's not about losing the impact player. It's about having the ability to surround the impact player. I also think there's a distinction to be drawn between paying your stars not mattering to the cap versus the cap not mattering at all. Teams rarely, if ever, regret paying their top players. Overpaying the middle tier, however, regularly weakens teams as they try to stay under the cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted June 20, 2019 Report Share Posted June 20, 2019 1 minute ago, TrueBlueGED said: I also think there's a distinction to be drawn between paying your stars not mattering to the cap versus the cap not mattering at all. Teams rarely, if ever, regret paying their top players. Overpaying the middle tier, however, regularly weakens teams as they try to stay under the cap. Your right *cough* Skinner *cough* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 20, 2019 Report Share Posted June 20, 2019 6 minutes ago, Derrico said: Your right *cough* Skinner *cough* This, in a nutshell, is my Botterill concern. He decided Skinner was first-tier and O’Reilly was not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted June 20, 2019 Report Share Posted June 20, 2019 1 minute ago, dudacek said: This, in a nutshell, is my Botterill concern. He decided Skinner was first-tier and O’Reilly was not. I know but there were other factors that went into ROR decision I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted June 20, 2019 Report Share Posted June 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, Derrico said: I know but there were other factors that went into ROR decision I think. Mhmmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted June 20, 2019 Report Share Posted June 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, Derrico said: I know but there were other factors that went into ROR decision I think. Just now, darksabre said: Mhmmm ROR aside (you have to admire my personal growth by not responding with fury!), thinking Berglund and/or Mittelstadt are suitable 2C options isn't exactly confidence inspiring, ya know? 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted June 20, 2019 Report Share Posted June 20, 2019 1 minute ago, TrueBlueGED said: ROR aside (you have to admire my personal growth by not responding with fury!), thinking Berglund and/or Mittelstadt are suitable 2C options isn't exactly confidence inspiring, ya know? This is more than fair. Botts has to amend that mistake and get someone like Stastny in for a couple of years. His mistake wasn't necessarily trading ROR. It was the terrible return and lack of thought in having Plan B if Mitts wasn't ready Day 1. I think this year you will see all of these holes plugged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted June 20, 2019 Report Share Posted June 20, 2019 24 minutes ago, Derrico said: It's not about losing the impact player. It's about having the ability to surround the impact player. Cap mismanagement is not the biggest factor resulting in the closing of the window. Aging core is the biggest reason and the inability to replace core on the fly. The Blackhawks are a perfect example. They won three Cups, made some mistakes but what could they have done differently that would have resulted in better results the last couple of years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted June 20, 2019 Report Share Posted June 20, 2019 41 minutes ago, Taro T said: JP Dumont? You know better. They chose to keep the wrong guys and mis read the cap going forward. Larry Quinn is still waiting to take advantage of those cap strapped teams. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted June 20, 2019 Report Share Posted June 20, 2019 1 minute ago, tom webster said: Cap mismanagement is not the biggest factor resulting in the closing of the window. Aging core is the biggest reason and the inability to replace core on the fly. The Blackhawks are a perfect example. They won three Cups, made some mistakes but what could they have done differently that would have resulted in better results the last couple of years? This is right but I think those days are ending. The 'cheap' RFA years are becoming more and more expensive. Crosby, Malkin, Kane, Towes all had much more favorable deals early in their career. Today, starting year 4 the young guns are making huge money. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted June 20, 2019 Report Share Posted June 20, 2019 46 minutes ago, TrueBlueGED said: I tend to agree, but they had 6 more wins than we did last year. Teravainen wasn't traded all too long ago because of the cap. Edit: And even if the Leafs manage to keep Marner (as I expect they will), losing Kapanen because of Marleau's contract isn't exactly a trivial loss. It doesn't always matter, but it shouldn't just be dismissed. Keeping if not keeping Teravainen had little to no impact on their record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#freejame Posted June 20, 2019 Report Share Posted June 20, 2019 Quote This is the question players were most reluctant to answer — only 63 percent of all the players polled answered it. And while P.K. Subban was the leader among those willing to answer, 45 other players received at least one vote. The knock on Subban? “He’s got a good shot and that’s about it,” said a Western Conference rival. An Eastern Conference player summed up this category diplomatically and perfectly: “I don’t think anyone is overrated — but there sure are players that are overpaid.” Not for nothing, PK is regularly ranked by players to be the most overrated player in hockey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted June 20, 2019 Report Share Posted June 20, 2019 McDavid broke the mold and we're not going back unless the new CBA changes this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted June 20, 2019 Report Share Posted June 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, #freejame said: Not for nothing, PK is regularly ranked by players to be the most overrated player in hockey. I think there’s a nefarious reason for this. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted June 20, 2019 Report Share Posted June 20, 2019 15 minutes ago, TrueBlueGED said: ROR aside (you have to admire my personal growth by not responding with fury!), thinking Berglund and/or Mittelstadt are suitable 2C options isn't exactly confidence inspiring, ya know? Agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#freejame Posted June 20, 2019 Report Share Posted June 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Hoss said: I think there’s a nefarious reason for this. I figured some here would. I don’t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted June 20, 2019 Report Share Posted June 20, 2019 6 minutes ago, Derrico said: This is right but I think those days are ending. The 'cheap' RFA years are becoming more and more expensive. Crosby, Malkin, Kane, Towes all had much more favorable deals early in their career. Today, starting year 4 the young guns are making huge money. Which makes wasting Sam and Jack's ELC's almost criminal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 20, 2019 Report Share Posted June 20, 2019 14 minutes ago, Derrico said: This is right but I think those days are ending. The 'cheap' RFA years are becoming more and more expensive. Crosby, Malkin, Kane, Towes all had much more favorable deals early in their career. Today, starting year 4 the young guns are making huge money. Can someone fact check this. I fairly certain Crosby got 8.7 mil for his 2nd deal and Malkin did too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted June 21, 2019 Report Share Posted June 21, 2019 (edited) 23 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Can someone fact check this. I fairly certain Crosby got 8.7 mil for his 2nd deal and Malkin did too. Double check but it's true. Guys got the big deals Year 8 under last CBA. It's year 4 now. Crosby entered the league in 2005 and the $8.7 mil deal was signed in 2012 (year 8). Edited June 21, 2019 by Derrico Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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