Brawndo Posted April 11, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2019 Friedman reporting the Sabres are making a decision hard for McLellan by offering him 5 years 5 Million, LAK are not expected to go that high. Friedman still thinks he chooses LA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted April 11, 2019 Report Share Posted April 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, Brawndo said: Friedman reporting the Sabres are making a decision hard for McLellan by offering him 5 years 5 Million, LAK are not expected to go that high. Friedman still thinks he chooses LA That is an insane contract to offer that guy. Jeez Botteril 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatorman0519 Posted April 11, 2019 Report Share Posted April 11, 2019 1 minute ago, WildCard said: That is an insane contract to offer that guy. Jeez Botteril Ridiculous... not even a top tier coach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted April 11, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2019 It was on his Podcast, he said the offer was large and he thought it was 5/5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottysabres Posted April 11, 2019 Report Share Posted April 11, 2019 I don't see why anyone would get their panties in a bunch over a coaches contract offer. It's not like it's on the salary cap. It's Pegula's money, if they wish to spend, then who is anyone to criticize them for doing so? I mean really, that's like telling one or all of their family they can't wear socks, or certain shirts or some crap. It's a contract, it's their money, if true, let them spend it. A contract can be bought out if it doesn't work and Pegula's have already proven that. Complaining about this is laughable to be honest. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted April 11, 2019 Report Share Posted April 11, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Gatorman0519 said: Ridiculous... not even a top tier coach Depending where you draw your line, I think he’s generally perceived to be one by the industry. Top 10 anyway. There is a reason he has coached Team Canada and the Young Stars in the World Cup. That report tells me one of two things: agent using Friedman to drive up the price for the Kings, and/or the Sabres really honed in on him early as their guy. Edited April 11, 2019 by dudacek 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatorman0519 Posted April 11, 2019 Report Share Posted April 11, 2019 1 minute ago, dudacek said: Depending where you draw your line, I think he’s generally perceived to be one by the industry. Top 10 anyway. That report tells me one of two things: agent using Friedman to drive up the price for the Kings, and/or the Sabres really honed in on him early as there guy. He’s certain a big improvement over PH, but I wouldn’t consider him top 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted April 11, 2019 Report Share Posted April 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, Scottysabres said: I don't see why anyone would get their panties in a bunch over a coaches contract offer. It's not like it's on the salary cap. It's Pegula's money, if they wish to spend, then who is anyone to criticize them for doing so? I mean really, that's like telling one or all of their family they can't wear socks, or certain shirts or some crap. It's a contract, it's their money, if true, let them spend it. A contract can be bought out if it doesn't work and Pegula's have already proven that. Complaining about this is laughable to be honest. 5 years for that money means we're tied to him. It also means we really, really like him. It also makes us look like idiots when it inevitably fails 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indabuff Posted April 11, 2019 Report Share Posted April 11, 2019 14 minutes ago, Brawndo said: Friedman reporting the Sabres are making a decision hard for McLellan by offering him 5 years 5 Million, LAK are not expected to go that high. Friedman still thinks he chooses LA I'm glad the Pegs have deep pockets for our sake but not sure how I feel about someone coming here only because they were offered more money. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottysabres Posted April 11, 2019 Report Share Posted April 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, WildCard said: 5 years for that money means we're tied to him. It also means we really, really like him. It also makes us look like idiots when it inevitably fails Tied to him? If the contract is terminated and bought out we are no more tied to him than a bee that flew through the yard, and moved on with some pollen. As for looking like idiots, it's not our money, it's the Pegula's, it doesn't effect us one way or the other. The guy is a coach, money and term are semantics at this point, if you don't like the choice, feel he's not the right fit, fine, but don't use the contract as some sort of crutch to say it just isn't right. The contract has nothing to do with that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted April 11, 2019 Report Share Posted April 11, 2019 15 minutes ago, dudacek said: Depending where you draw your line, I think he’s generally perceived to be one by the industry. Top 10 anyway. There is a reason he has coached Team Canada and the Young Stars in the World Cup. That report tells me one of two things: agent using Friedman to drive up the price for the Kings, and/or the Sabres really honed in on him early as their guy. If the report is accurate it necessarily means the agent is the source. And not only is Friedman being used, so are the Sabres. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted April 11, 2019 Report Share Posted April 11, 2019 33 minutes ago, Gatorman0519 said: He’s certain a big improvement over PH, but I wouldn’t consider him top 10. His winning percentage is 35th all-time, 19th among coaches with 5 seasons or more, 14th post-expansion. Of course, Floyd Smith and Dan Bylsma, are ahead of him, so... I struggle to find 10 active coaches with a better resume. Cooper .644 Boudreau .641 Bylsma .615 Babcock .611 Quenville .609 Cassidy .608 Sullivan .603 McLellan .594 Julien .592 Laviolette .589 Vigneault .588 Trotz .567 Torterella .551 Gallant .550 Maurice .525 Boucher .501 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted April 11, 2019 Report Share Posted April 11, 2019 36 minutes ago, Indabuff said: I'm glad the Pegs have deep pockets for our sake but not sure how I feel about someone coming here only because they were offered more money. It’s the only reason that I go to work where I do! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted April 11, 2019 Report Share Posted April 11, 2019 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Scottysabres said: Tied to him? If the contract is terminated and bought out we are no more tied to him than a bee that flew through the yard, and moved on with some pollen. As for looking like idiots, it's not our money, it's the Pegula's, it doesn't effect us one way or the other. The guy is a coach, money and term are semantics at this point, if you don't like the choice, feel he's not the right fit, fine, but don't use the contract as some sort of crutch to say it just isn't right. The contract has nothing to do with that. They are less likely to terminate someone sooner if they're that heavily invested in him. So if he is bad, then we'll likely have him for longer It makes the franchise look like we don't know what we're doing if we give yet another guy a 5 year deal and get rid of him in less than those 5 years. I'm perfectly aware I'm not Terry Pegula by the way Edited April 11, 2019 by WildCard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ct fab Posted April 11, 2019 Report Share Posted April 11, 2019 47 minutes ago, WildCard said: 5 years for that money means we're tied to him. It also means we really, really like him. It also makes us look like idiots when it inevitably fails And exactly why are you a sabres fan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted April 11, 2019 Report Share Posted April 11, 2019 Just now, ct fab said: And exactly why are you a sabres fan? Lol what Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zamboni Posted April 11, 2019 Report Share Posted April 11, 2019 49 minutes ago, WildCard said: 5 years for that money means we're tied to him. It also means we really, really like him. It also makes us look like idiots when it inevitably fails Not at all tied to him. He can be fired one day after he signs. Good grief... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted April 11, 2019 Report Share Posted April 11, 2019 Just now, Zamboni said: Not at all tied to him. He can be fired one day after he signs. Good grief... You invest $25M into someone, and it's the 3rd time in 4 years you've done it, and you're still paying the other two, are you likely to fire that guy after a short while? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zamboni Posted April 11, 2019 Report Share Posted April 11, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, WildCard said: You invest $25M into someone, and it's the 3rd time in 4 years you've done it, and you're still paying the other two, are you likely to fire that guy after a short while? I’d he doesn’t get the job done. Yes. Absolutely. Not tied to him at all. Do you mean “in two years” equals “short while”? Edited April 11, 2019 by Zamboni Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted April 11, 2019 Report Share Posted April 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, Zamboni said: I’d he doesn’t get the job done. Yes. Absolutely. Not tied to him at all. Do you mean “in two years” equals “short while”? I think he'd have to be Housley bad to get fired in 2 years. And I don't think he will be. I think it's more likely he goes 3 years .500 or so with one playoff berth, just like he did in Edmonton. Management/owners say that's good enough and he still has term left, so we stick with good enough I don't want good enough. I think it's entirely possible to go and get someone new who can take us further. But maybe McLellan is good and it works out. I hope so, but he's not my preferred choice obviously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billznut Posted April 11, 2019 Report Share Posted April 11, 2019 I think McClellan will go to LA. Leafs won’t let us interview Keefe. Holding out hope for AV. But I think when all is said and done, we end up with Taylor. Which is absolutely my least preferred outcome here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallawaySabres Posted April 11, 2019 Report Share Posted April 11, 2019 If they want him that bad, make it 6 mill per year...like Pegula really cares about another 5 mill. Seriously though, if this is their number one choice, get it done at all costs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottysabres Posted April 11, 2019 Report Share Posted April 11, 2019 22 minutes ago, WildCard said: They are less likely to terminate someone sooner if they're that heavily invested in him. So if he is bad, then we'll likely have him for longer It makes the franchise look like we don't know what we're doing if we give yet another guy a 5 year deal and get rid of him in less than those 5 years. I'm perfectly aware I'm not Terry Pegula by the way Pefula's have already proven time on contract isn't an issue. They did that with Bylsma. The franchise looking like it doesn't know what its doing? They would be hiring a coach. To much emphasis on the $ and term. It won't affect the club in the least bit on that end imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted April 11, 2019 Report Share Posted April 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, Scottysabres said: Pefula's have already proven time on contract isn't an issue. They did that with Bylsma. The franchise looking like it doesn't know what its doing? They would be hiring a coach. To much emphasis on the $ and term. It won't affect the club in the least bit on that end imo. They hired Rex and Byslma to 5 year deals and fired them after two. Clearly they aren't afraid to throw money around, but that doesn't mean repeating that mistake is a good idea Repeatedly hiring and firing coaches is not a good look for a franchise IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted April 11, 2019 Report Share Posted April 11, 2019 (edited) 48 minutes ago, dudacek said: His winning percentage is 35th all-time, 19th among coaches with 5 seasons or more, 14th post-expansion. Of course, Floyd Smith and Dan Bylsma, are ahead of him, so... I struggle to find 10 active coaches with a better resume. Cooper .644 Boudreau .641 Bylsma .615 Babcock .611 Quenville .609 Cassidy .608 Sullivan .603 McLellan .594 Julien .592 Laviolette .589 Vigneault .588 Trotz .567 Torterella .551 Gallant .550 Maurice .525 Boucher .501 Well, we had one of them, and he was terrible. Winning percentage in a vacuum just isn't a super persuasive argument for me. I don't hate the idea of hiring McLellan, but I'm also still not convinced he's a guy you break the bank for. I don't think his SJ teams underachieved as much as the popular narrative, but I also have yet to be convinced he's really added value anywhere or is on the level of the other top coaches in the division. The NHL may change the playoff format at some point, but until that happens, I want a coach who can match wits with Cooper, Julien, Quenneville, et al. I'm not confident McLellan is that guy. I'm confident he'd be better than Housley, but "better than Housley" isn't the standard I'm chasing. Edited April 11, 2019 by TrueBlueGED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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