DarthEbriate Posted May 17, 2019 Report Share Posted May 17, 2019 On 5/13/2019 at 12:16 AM, steveoath said: Mynhldraft has an "interesting" take.... Without any investigation or research whatsoever (hey... we're online, I'm just following standard Imperial Procedure) my hot take reaction to this mock is that it appears to be someone wanting to see the Canadian teams get who they want, but also keep it semi-realistic (no... Kakko is not dropping to Edmonton... that's too ridiculous). The Sabres like small guys like Ennis and small European defensemen... done! That'll free up Boldy to Edmonton and Zegras to Vancouver... etc. Of course, mocks are all in good fun. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ho-Chi-Sock Posted May 17, 2019 Report Share Posted May 17, 2019 (edited) FanSpeak's OnTheClock for the NHL is live: https://fanspeak.com/nhlotc/?utm_source=OTC&utm_campaign=OtherTools EDIT: Here's mine for dissection: 7: R1P7 C ALEX TURCOTTE U.S. U-18 30: R1P30 C PEYTON KREBS KOOTENAY 67: R3P5 RW GRANT SILIANOFF CEDAR RAPIDS 98: R4P5 D WILLIAM CONSTANTINOU KINGSTON 160: R6P5 G ROMAN BASRAN KELOWNA 175: R6P20 D RYAN SIEDEM CENTRAL ILLINOIS 177: R6P22 LW ALEXEI TSYPLAKOV SKA 191: R7P5 C GARRETT PINONIEMI HOLY FAMILY CATHOLIC Edited May 17, 2019 by Ho-Chi-Sock 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted May 18, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2019 I'm sorry but there's no scenario I can envision where Krebs drops to 30th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveoath Posted May 18, 2019 Report Share Posted May 18, 2019 6 hours ago, Ho-Chi-Sock said: FanSpeak's OnTheClock for the NHL is live: https://fanspeak.com/nhlotc/?utm_source=OTC&utm_campaign=OtherTools That was fun. Here's my take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ho-Chi-Sock Posted May 18, 2019 Report Share Posted May 18, 2019 7 hours ago, LGR4GM said: I'm sorry but there's no scenario I can envision where Krebs drops to 30th. That's how the board played out. I wasn't going to ask questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted May 18, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2019 44 minutes ago, Ho-Chi-Sock said: That's how the board played out. I wasn't going to ask questions. Hell, I wouldn't. That would be awesome. Also cool site. Thanks for posting it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rakish Posted May 18, 2019 Report Share Posted May 18, 2019 14 hours ago, Ho-Chi-Sock said: FanSpeak's OnTheClock for the NHL is live: https://fanspeak.com/nhlotc/?utm_source=OTC&utm_campaign=OtherTools EDIT: Here's mine for dissection: 7: R1P7 C ALEX TURCOTTE <snip> Consider putting together a draft board for year 6 of my draft contest, Mom's Basement Stakes. You can see previous years at my website 45b.us, which I will update for last season soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted May 18, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2019 Already working on my top 50. ^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted May 18, 2019 Report Share Posted May 18, 2019 This is one of those times where this board will miss Jame. Whatever his flaws (and I have a list), he was stupendous at evaluating the prospects before a draft. I learn a lot from his posts on other boards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted May 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 Pronman has out his top 107 players: Quote 7) Dylan Cozens, C, Lethbridge-WHL Feb. 9, 2001 | 6-foot-3 | 185 pounds Skating: 60 Puck Skills: 55 Physical Game: 65 Hockey Sense: 60 Cozens is a very well-rounded prospect. For the past two seasons in the WHL and in international play, he consistently impressed. Cozens measures in at 6-foot-3 and is a very good skater, not just for his size, but overall. That combination alone makes him a handful to deal with when a guy that size comes barreling through the neutral zone. He doesn’t just skate fast, he consistently pushes the pace and plays the game hard. Cozens is not going to do a fancy between the legs kind of play, but he gets by defenders with dekes at full speed, makes skilled plays to the net and can make plays in small areas. He’s not a dynamic playmaker, but he’ll have the odd play that will hit that level and his vision can surprise defenders. He has a shoot-first mentality and, for Lethbridge, would often be the team’s shot off the flank on the man advantage. Cozens can be deployed in any situation and competes hard every shift with a bit of an edge to his game without taking a ton of penalties. Lethbridge Hurricanes coach Brent Kisio on Cozens: “He’s a difference maker. He’s very fast and utilizes his speed very well. His playmaking abilities are exceptional. He’s a reliable two-way player.” https://theathletic.com/970746/2019/05/21/pronmans-2019-nhl-draft-board-top-107-prospects/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted May 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 Turcotte's coach said he was "sandpaper and silk" and that's just the greatest thing this morning. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted May 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 (edited) Ignore Pronman's physical grade when reading these. It doesn't mean "physical game" it means "is big". Hoglander IMPO is more physical than Dach but 1 gets a 60 and the other a 35. He gives Nicholas Roberstson a 25 for what he calls "physical game" but Roberston once had the puck stolen from him as he was knocked over. Roberstson bounced up, tracked that guy down, stole the puck back, and then scored a goal. I'm serious, he may not be big but he plays physical. My point is that "physical game" in these rankings is a bit of misnomer Edited May 21, 2019 by LGR4GM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted May 21, 2019 Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 31 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Ignore Pronman's physical grade when reading these. It doesn't mean "physical game" it means "is big". Hoglander IMPO is more physical than Dach but 1 gets a 60 and the other a 35. He gives Nicholas Roberstson a 25 for what he calls "physical game" but Roberston once had the puck stolen from him as he was knocked over. Roberstson bounced up, tracked that guy down, stole the puck back, and then scored a goal. I'm serious, he may not be big but he plays physical. My point is that "physical game" in these rankings is a bit of misnomer Yeah, there are different definitions out there. For example, Dach uses his size/length well to protect the puck and create time/space for himself. That could be the type of stuff that Pronman is rolling into that Physicality grade. Also, I love that he is using the baseball 20-80 grading system. Much more informative than reading that 20 different prospects are “good” skaters, 10 skate “well for their size”, and 5 are “elite” skaters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted May 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 I like a 0-10 grade personally. 10 is elite, 0 is below AHL level. Skating gets broken down into 3 categories, agility, quickness, speed. Dahlin for example, 10 agility, 9 quickness, 8 speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted May 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 This is stuff that you should always watch for in reading scouting reports. This garbage: Michal Teply, 6'3" LW Quote His game lacks speed and pace, he doesn’t attack the net or compete for pucks that hard, and he doesn’t always seem that engaged. You’re drafting him knowing he needs work, but the skill/size combination is NHL quality That means you don't draft him. Who cares if he has good nhl size if he has bad speed, pace, compete, and engagement. You can be 6'5" and have skills but if you can't skate and lack compete, who cares? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted May 21, 2019 Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 Drafted Turcotte, LaVoie and was Leason... Boldy went 6th. Just did two rounds. No idea past that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted May 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 On 5/17/2019 at 7:44 PM, Ho-Chi-Sock said: FanSpeak's OnTheClock for the NHL is live: https://fanspeak.com/nhlotc/?utm_source=OTC&utm_campaign=OtherTools I'm skeptical of anything that has Harley go before Bowen 7: R1P7 D BOWEN BYRAM, VANCOUVER 30: R1P30 C PEYTON KREBS, KOOTENAY 67: R3P5 LW ROBERT MASTROSIMONE, CHICAGO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted May 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 I did it twice just for fun... this time I went to round 4. 7: R1P7 C ALEX TURCOTTE, U.S. U-18 30: R1P30 C ALEX NEWHOOK, VICTORIA 67: R3P5 D TOBIAS BJORNFOT, DJIRGARDENS 98: R4P5 LW ETHAN KEPPEN, FLINT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader1969 Posted May 21, 2019 Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 1 hour ago, LGR4GM said: I did it twice just for fun... this time I went to round 4. 7: R1P7 C ALEX TURCOTTE, U.S. U-18 30: R1P30 C ALEX NEWHOOK, VICTORIA 67: R3P5 D TOBIAS BJORNFOT, DJIRGARDENS 98: R4P5 LW ETHAN KEPPEN, FLINT not sure where they get their draft board but it definitely needs to be updated 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted May 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 13 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said: not sure where they get their draft board but it definitely needs to be updated It's a little rough but here is their listing... they have Braydon Tracey in the top 25 which is highly unlikely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader1969 Posted May 21, 2019 Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 1 minute ago, LGR4GM said: It's a little rough but here is their listing... they have Braydon Tracey in the top 25 which is highly unlikely. How possibly is Kaliyev 4th and Harley 5th? move Newhook up at lest 8 spots and its not that bad, oh and Krebs needs to be in top 13 as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted May 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 23 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said: How possibly is Kaliyev 4th and Harley 5th? move Newhook up at lest 8 spots and its not that bad, oh and Krebs needs to be in top 13 as well. I honestly can't say. Kaliyev at 4 would be amazing because it means someone ***** up above us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted May 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 I guess Tracey could go in the top 25 but IMPO that would be like taking Zachary Sensyshyn in the top 25... maybe not as bad but still. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted May 21, 2019 Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 Quote Trevor Zegras, C, USNTDP-USHL May 20, 2001 | six-foot | 168 pounds Skating: 50 Puck Skills: 60 Physical Game: 45 Hockey Sense: 75 Zegras was fantastic all season for the USNTDP and was a go-to guy for the program when they needed a goal. In terms of pure offensive skill, he’s the best in the draft class. He’s a special playmaker and one of the best passers I’ve seen as a first-year draft-eligible in recent years. It’s not just that he sees the options, it’s also the fact his timing is elite in terms of when to execute plays, and he has the high-end skill to feather pucks into the right spots. His imagination gets the highest praise from me. He’s made some very creative one-touch plays where he’s knocking pucks that were behind him onto the sticks of teammates or firing a bullet pass while spinning with the puck on his backhand. He’s known as a playmaker but has a sneaky good shot and can pick a corner if you give him time. Zegras has fine speed, very good edge work and hands to evade checks. He can push the pace when he wants to, but for a small, slight forward, he slows it down a bit too much for me. He’s not the biggest or bulkiest pivot and has at times played wing this season, but he’s gotten steadily better in the physical parts of the game and will push back when opponents get physical with him. Zegras isn’t a guy who you pick to run over guys, though; you’re drafting him to slot onto the half-wall of your first power play and get the puck to the scorers on his wing for a decade. USNTDP center Jack Hughes on Zegras: “He’s the most creative player on our team. He thinks outside the box, he’s really smart and super crafty with his hands and movements. He’s really slippery. He’s an easy guy to play with knowing he’ll always give you great passes.” Quote Matthew Boldy, LW, USNTDP-USHL April 5, 2001 | 6-foot-2 | 187 pounds Skating: 50 Puck Skills: 65 Physical Game: 55 Hockey Sense: 65 Boldy didn’t join the USNTDP as a top prospect, in fact, he was on the bubble to make the team. A sudden growth spurt combined with a great skill level spiked his prospect stock. Boldy is a unique winger in how he plays the game. His combination of puck skills and hockey IQ are among the best in the draft. His hand-eye coordination is off the charts. Pucks stick to him. He’s also incredibly creative and made some of the best passes I saw all season. I wouldn’t call him a natural playmaker, though; he prefers to play below the dots and around the net rather than QB a power play. While he’s a great passer, Boldy has a quality shot and was often used as a trigger guy from the slot. Boldy’s consistency was an issue this season. When competing hard, he’s often catching unsuspecting players on the backcheck and gets to the net to score. However, he had stretches this season where he didn’t impact games, and sometimes they were long stretches. His main weakness over the years was his skating. I think it’s improved to an average level, but he’s not a powerful skater and his stride could be cleaned up. USNTDP U18 coach John Wroblewski on Boldy: “Boldy grew from 5-foot-10 to 6-foot-2. His development trajectory has been steep. He can be a power forward. He has excellent hands and vision. He can finish, he can run a power play, he can be a net-front guy. The puck is attached to him.” Quote Alex Newhook, C, Victoria-BCHL Jan. 28, 2001 | 5-foot-11 | 190 pounds Skating: 65 Puck Skills: 60 Physical Game: 40 Hockey Sense: 65 Newhook was fantastic in the BCHL for the past two seasons, as one of the most dominant Jr. A players of the modern era. He’s one of the most entertaining and dynamic players in the draft. His skating, hands and vision all get plus grades. He can push the pace with his speed. He’s got quick-twitch feet at full speed, which allows him to jet by defenders, and great edge work to create space in tight areas. He’s often asked to carry the puck up the ice, and he does so very well. Newhook makes plays at full speed, often blowing by defenders, while also being able to pull up and make a play at pace. I’ve seen him make some very creative passes where he hits a tight lane with little time or hitting a man on the tape while he’s going 100 miles an hour. He’s also very skilled, and often makes tough plays to lose a defender and create space. Newhook isn’t just a skill guy, he competes well too, which combined with his great speed allows him to always be around the puck. I don’t know if he’ll be a true defensive center in the NHL due to his size and I wouldn’t call him overly physical, but I like that he battles. The one knock on Newhook is, at the levels with higher pace than the BCHL such as the World Jr. A or Hlinka U18 camp where he was cut, he wasn’t dominant; but he was great at the IIHF U18 tournament. Victoria Grizzlies GM/coach Craig Didmon on Newhook: “He has great endurance, he doesn’t tire and wears his opponents down. He can attack in a variety of ways. He has great speed, a great shot on the fly and sees the ice very well. He can play 200 feet.” These are some other prospects who are around 7th Overall. I’m surprised that Zegras is that high TBH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader1969 Posted May 21, 2019 Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 28 minutes ago, Brawndo said: These are some other prospects who are around 7th Overall. I’m surprised that Zegras is that high TBH not sure where you guys are but get me one of Zegras, Boldy or Cozens and I'm good. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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