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2 hours ago, Brawndo said:

 

I’m not 100% Convinced that PH was completely Botterill’s Decision. There are some vague rumors floating around that the coach decision was virtually made by the time Botts was hired.

I like this approach. He has at least gotten in front of, or attempted to talk to 2 of 3 Coaches that were hired. 

AHL Coaches will start becoming available soon for interviews and I would think Dallas Eakins gets announced by the Ducks soon after.

That leaves Edmonton, Ottawa and the Sabres needing HCs 

 

FWIW, From the Buffalo News Today, in response to a question asked by Lisa Dillman of The Athletic.

It was a great experience," McLellan, who was in Buffalo last week to watch his son, Tyson, compete in the NCAA Frozen Four, said. "I can tell you whoever gets that job will have a great ownership group and a management group to work with. They’ve got a tremendous pool of assets and it will be a really good job."

I don’t expect McLellan to say anything different.

I suspect both parties knew he was pretty far down the road with LA (like Quenville was with Florida) and the meetings were more about due diligence than anything else.

I think Botterill knows he needs to get this right, which will only increase his tendency to be methodical in the selection process. He will have a strong sense of what he liked about Phil, and a strong sense of where he was lacking. He’s going to offer the job to a guy that ticks all his personal, freshly-shaped boxes, as opposed to “the highest-profile guy available” (Bylsma) or “the owner and the industry likes him and he seems pretty good to me too” (Housley).

I don’t expect a knee-jerk selection, either from a timing, or an obvious change in resume and approach.

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3 hours ago, dudacek said:

Julien, Quenville, Babcock...why fight back with a lesser version of the division’ coaching leaders? Let’s chart our own path.

Sheldon Keefe is a tough, attacking, competitive, technically savvy communicator who has developed youth and won at every level. Don’t knee jerk away from a rookie because of Housley. He’s not Housley. Let’s be ahead of the curve for once.

Plus it would mess with the Leafs. He’s ready. Do it.

https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/toronto-marlies-sheldon-keefe-1.4707771

https://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/2018/04/07/keefes-winning-style-could-give-marlies-boss-a-ride-to-nhl.html

https://theathletic.com/233808/2018/02/16/the-marlies-master-of-detail-how-head-coach-sheldon-keefe-has-led-the-leafs-ahl-affiliate-to-historic-heights/

 

He is my number one choice right now

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2 hours ago, Pimlach said:

 

Gentlemen, while I agree that the Canes were fortunate that we had injuries but all 6 starters is wrong.  

According to records we played game one of the series with Lyman, Fitzpatrick, Tallinder, Numinem, McKee, Campbell.  Fitz was our 7th defensemen and replaced an injured Kalinin back in the Ottawa series    

We played game-seven of the series with Lyman, Fitzpatrick, Paetsch, Janik, Jillson, Campbell. 

We lost 3 defenseman in the Carolina series, 4 overall.  

Not 6.  

 

 

Okay.. I'll go with that.  Although I thought both Lydman and Campbell had been injured at some point.  Perhaps the timing is off.  We'll go with 4 of the top 6.. and I'm still going with fluke.  

Laviolette's only run comes when his opponent his extremely hindered on defense and they still barely won and managed to face the Oilers who somehow finagled their way into the SCF despite being terrible.

Either way, I'm wholly unimpressed with Laviolette.  Also, he's from the New England area and I still recall his accent.  EVery press conference would feel like I was listening to a Bruins game... and I can't have that.

 

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3 hours ago, Gatorman0519 said:

He is my number one choice right now

I don't want another rookie coach. At this point I'll take Boogie or Jacques Martin over any other rookie coach in a heartbeat. 

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6 hours ago, LTS said:

Laviolette's only run comes when his opponent his extremely hindered on defense and they still barely won and managed to face the Oilers who somehow finagled their way into the SCF despite being terrible.

He’s taken two other teams to the Stanley Cup Finals though.  A Flyers team with Michael Leighton/Brian Boucher splitting playoff starts in goal, and Nashville a couple years ago.

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Man, I wish we could nail down the Terry-really-hired-Wowie angle. I trust Brawndo, but it just can't be entered as evidence yet.

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24 minutes ago, PASabreFan said:

Man, I wish we could nail down the Terry-really-hired-Wowie angle. I trust Brawndo, but it just can't be entered as evidence yet.

And why do you wish this?......oh, never mind guess that's quite obvious.

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45 minutes ago, Radar said:

And why do you wish this?......oh, never mind guess that's quite obvious.

It's OK for you to think I'm too negative or have an axe to grind with the owner (I do). But I would ask you this: if it went down that way, are you OK with the owner telling his new GM who the coach should be?

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1 hour ago, PASabreFan said:

Man, I wish we could nail down the Terry-really-hired-Wowie angle. I trust Brawndo, but it just can't be entered as evidence yet.

You'll never get the evidence you want.  Suffice to say, Phil's hiring has Pegula written all over it.

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I don’t care who on this forum says otherwise ... Terry without a doubt in my mind, had a say in hiring Housley, Bylsma, and Nolan. I hope he 100% stays out of the next hire.

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Terry is in love with All former Sabres - see Perreault. The Housley hiring has his hands all it. I loved what Ray said about Housley about 15 years ago

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18 minutes ago, ct fab said:

Terry is in love with All former Sabres - see Perreault. The Housley hiring has his hands all it. I loved what Ray said about Housley about 15 years ago

For those of us memory impaired, could you paraphrase?

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34 minutes ago, PASabreFan said:

It's OK for you to think I'm too negative or have an axe to grind with the owner (I do). But I would ask you this: if it went down that way, are you OK with the owner telling his new GM who the coach should be?

While I may not want our owner dictating who the GM hires I'm sure most owners have some say. If I owned the team I would expect to. So, is the concern because it's this particular owner or do you think no owners should be involved?  Most,not all, on this board seemed to approve of the Housley hire myself included. Now that it appears to have been a mistake we blame ownership and divorce ourselves from our initial approval of the hire.

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2 minutes ago, Radar said:

While I may not want our owner dictating who the GM hires I'm sure most owners have some say. If I owned the team I would expect to. So, is the concern because it's this particular owner or do you think no owners should be involved?  Most,not all, on this board seemed to approve of the Housley hire myself included. Now that it appears to have been a mistake we blame ownership and divorce ourselves from our initial approval of the hire.

This is a good point.  I want botts to have full say on this hire but we shouldn’t forget the housley hire was almost unanimously approved by the fan base at the time.

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Just now, Derrico said:

This is a good point.  I want botts to have full say on this hire but we shouldn’t forget the housley hire was almost unanimously approved by the fan base at the time.

Almost 

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2 minutes ago, Radar said:

While I may not want our owner dictating who the GM hires I'm sure most owners have some say. If I owned the team I would expect to. So, is the concern because it's this particular owner or do you think no owners should be involved?  Most,not all, on this board seemed to approve of the Housley hire myself included. Now that it appears to have been a mistake we blame ownership and divorce ourselves from our initial approval of the hire.

I mentioned previously that Botterill is a "yes" man. I took criticism for labeling him that because I really had no proof, it was merely an opinion. I guess the criticism was justified. But, based on what is general knowledge that Murray got fired for calling Kim bad names, I can see how the owners meddle in the decision making. 

With that in mind, I don't agree with that mentality. Viola meddled in the decision making for the Panthers, especially when it came to the GM by committee concept. Until he figured out that didn't work and gave power back to Tsllon. And Viola hasn't been heard from since. 

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15 minutes ago, Radar said:

While I may not want our owner dictating who the GM hires I'm sure most owners have some say. If I owned the team I would expect to. So, is the concern because it's this particular owner or do you think no owners should be involved?  Most,not all, on this board seemed to approve of the Housley hire myself included. Now that it appears to have been a mistake we blame ownership and divorce ourselves from our initial approval of the hire.

If the CEO of a car company has a masters in business and finance. And doesn’t know gear ratios, struts, and how to interpret crash test results, then he/she needs to stay the F away from telling the experts in those areas how to do their job and influencing their decisions in such matters. 

Owners (unless they are very knowledgeable about what makes a great coach) should stay the F away from influencing who coaches a team.

Why is that logic flawed?

 

What logical, well thought out reason is there that says Pegula must have a say?  Not “feelings” or “the right to” or “but but but he owns the team/writes the checks”

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22 minutes ago, JJFIVEOH said:

I mentioned previously that Botterill is a "yes" man. I took criticism for labeling him that because I really had no proof, it was merely an opinion. I guess the criticism was justified. But, based on what is general knowledge that Murray got fired for calling Kim bad names, I can see how the owners meddle in the decision making. 

With that in mind, I don't agree with that mentality. Viola meddled in the decision making for the Panthers, especially when it came to the GM by committee concept. Until he figured out that didn't work and gave power back to Tsllon. And Viola hasn't been heard from since. 

No.  Not general knowledge.  Not anything other than completely unsubstantiated message board rumor.

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24 minutes ago, JJFIVEOH said:

I mentioned previously that Botterill is a "yes" man. I took criticism for labeling him that because I really had no proof, it was merely an opinion. I guess the criticism was justified. But, based on what is general knowledge that Murray got fired for calling Kim bad names, I can see how the owners meddle in the decision making. 

With that in mind, I don't agree with that mentality. Viola meddled in the decision making for the Panthers, especially when it came to the GM by committee concept. Until he figured out that didn't work and gave power back to Tsllon. And Viola hasn't been heard from since. 

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1 minute ago, LGR4GM said:

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I just accepted the criticism  because there was no facts to back it up. It was merely an opinion. 

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5 minutes ago, nfreeman said:

No.  Not general knowledge.  Not anything other than completely unsubstantiated message board rumor.

Are you saying that most people haven't brought up the fact that Murray wasn't fired for another other reason? It surely wasn't because he wasn't performing because he never had the opportunity to prove himself. He deserved at least another year. 

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3 minutes ago, JJFIVEOH said:

I just accepted the criticism  because there was no facts to back it up. It was merely an opinion. 

And we have facts now? 

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Hey guys,

Millionth time caller, never been a listener ...

So, any news that I should be made aware of.  

Thanks.  I'll hang up and listen.

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1 minute ago, New Scotland (NS) said:

Hey guys,

Millionth time caller, never been a listener ...

So, any news that I should be made aware of.  

Thanks.  I'll hang up and listen.

Tacos are delicious. 

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Just now, LGR4GM said:

Tacos are delicious. 

Not the Mighty treatment!!  A thousand times no.

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