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Per Botterill: Sabres have relieved Phil Housley of his Coaching Duties

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3 minutes ago, TrueBlueGED said:

The grinders love him. There's no evidence the high skill players that actually win games love him. 

You mean, like the high skill players we have now that win games for us (insert eye roll here)

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2 minutes ago, Scottysabres said:

You mean, like the high skill players we have now that win games for us (insert eye roll here)

They do win games for us. Swap out Eichel, Reinhart, Skinner, and Dahlin for low skill grinders and we'd be the tank teams (ya know, teams that won a lot less). 

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18 minutes ago, darksabre said:

I'm a little tired of the Nolan hate. I know most of us who liked him only suggest him jokingly, but there's no denying that players like him and work really hard for him. It might not be a sustainable way to coach a hockey team, but it works in the short term and that shouldn't be discounted. He's a motivator if nothing else. 

I was tired of the hate when he was here.

19 minutes ago, Eleven said:

It's really hard to not spell "coaches" correctly. How do you screw that up? 

And are you kidding me?  The guy fell into the perfect team at the perfect time.

They didn’t win without him. It’s not luck. It’s just a confluence of events,... with every team.

...except Bowman. Dammit.

 

There are so many ways to win.

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2 minutes ago, TrueBlueGED said:

They do win games for us. Swap out Eichel, Reinhart, Skinner, and Dahlin for low skill grinders and we'd be the tank teams (ya know, teams that won a lot less). 

Ok, ok, you got me. Those players did bring us from dead last to 5th from dead last 😉

and ummm.........they were on the team when we were dead last......oh snap.....(insert multiple eye rolls here)

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23 minutes ago, darksabre said:

I'm a little tired of the Nolan hate. I know most of us who liked him only suggest him jokingly, but there's no denying that players like him and work really hard for him. It might not be a sustainable way to coach a hockey team, but it works in the short term and that shouldn't be discounted. He's a motivator if nothing else. 

I liked him. His teams played entertaining hockey and he won NHL Coach of the Year. (and the reason he won it was because he took a team of questionable talent at the time and got them into the second round of the playoffs, when most NHL pundits had the Sabres on the outside of the playoffs looking in) The players they had did bust their ass for him and the NHL realised finally who Dominik Hasek was. Keenan let him go for nothing because he hated his style of play, thought he flopped too much.

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18 minutes ago, TrueBlueGED said:

They do win games for us. Swap out Eichel, Reinhart, Skinner, and Dahlin for low skill grinders and we'd be the tank teams (ya know, teams that won a lot less). 

Apparently not enough of them, just ask Phil Housley.

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44 minutes ago, TrueBlueGED said:

The grinders love him. There's no evidence the high skill players that actually win games love him. 

Pat Lafontaine doesn't count eh?

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56 minutes ago, Eleven said:

It's really hard to not spell "coaches" correctly. How do you screw that up? 

And are you kidding me?  The guy fell into the perfect team at the perfect time.

No Einstein, it's not hard to spell coaches, sometimes people make mistakes when typing and don't proofread . You, on the other hand, are the one that comes off stupid, dismissing coaching 3 Stanley Cup championships as 'perfect team, perfect time'.

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3 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

Torts might not if Columbus goes out again in round 1, which is likely. 

Hard pass.  His teams have either been knocked out in the first round or missed playoffs altogether in 14/18 years of his coaching.   Plus his style is antiquated and an annoying personality.  

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Nolan was a very good motivator as a coach, he was not very good with the Xs and Os. Even Mike Harrington, who was one of Nolan’s Biggest Fans, mentioned after watching Bylsma’s First Couple of Practices that TN did not have a system remotely close to today’s NHL Standards. 

With Cooper, Cassidy, Babcock, Julien and now Quenneville in the Atlantic, it’s imperative they get this hire right. 

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Just now, Brawndo said:

Nolan was a very good motivator as a coach, he was not very good with the Xs and Os. Even Mike Harrington, who was one of Nolan’s Biggest Fans, mentioned after watching Bylsma’s First Couple of Practices that TN did not have a system remotely close to today’s NHL Standards. 

With Cooper, Cassidy, Babcock, Julien and now Quenneville in the Atlantic, it’s imperative they get this hire right. 

Ted is likable but his sheer disregard for anything that has evolved in hockey the last 20 years is a non-starter. 

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17 minutes ago, TrueBlueGED said:

Not really. It was 30 years ago. Thirty! 

I was referring more to Lafontaine hiring Nolan. 

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1 hour ago, ... said:

Been traveling all day.  The firing was no surprise.  Did JBot have a presser?  If so, did he indicate he had a plan for the next coach?

Hey, good question!

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11 minutes ago, Brawndo said:

Nolan was a very good motivator as a coach, he was not very good with the Xs and Os. Even Mike Harrington, who was one of Nolan’s Biggest Fans, mentioned after watching Bylsma’s First Couple of Practices that TN did not have a system remotely close to today’s NHL Standards. 

With Cooper, Cassidy, Babcock, Julien and now Quenneville in the Atlantic, it’s imperative they get this hire right. 

And I'm not advocating for him to actually coach this team. I'm simply pointing out that he has a quality about him that perhaps the last few coaches haven't and that it shouldn't be taken for granted. 

If you can't get the players to play for you, it doesn't matter what your system is. 

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35 minutes ago, ... said:

Hey, good question!

“Nothing has been defined...”

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Not snark: does Ted have any supporters who weren’t around for the Hasek years?

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1 hour ago, darksabre said:

And I'm not advocating for him to actually coach this team. I'm simply pointing out that he has a quality about him that perhaps the last few coaches haven't and that it shouldn't be taken for granted. 

If you can't get the players to play for you, it doesn't matter what your system is. 

Amen.

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31 minutes ago, dudacek said:

Not snark: does Ted have any supporters who weren’t around for the Hasek years?

I was a supporter. I think it would be great to see him get a job somewhere. He is a motivator, like has been mentioned. I think it's easier to instill a system today than it used to be because each team now has 35 assistants. Not long ago it was two or three. 

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3 hours ago, TrueBlueGED said:

The grinders love him. There's no evidence the high skill players that actually win games love him. 

Maybe. BUT on teams he coaches those players know that there will be players on that roster that will protect them and let them play as skill players. So if I was a softer skilled forward I think I'd be ok with that.

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2 hours ago, Broken Ankles said:

Hard pass.  His teams have either been knocked out in the first round or missed playoffs altogether in 14/18 years of his coaching.   Plus his style is antiquated and an annoying personality.  

Disagree entirely on Torts. He will hold the so called talent accountable and for me it's high time we did that. I also think he is less (or at least no more) antiquated than most of the veteran coaches names mentioned or Barry Trotz and many others. You can merge skill and toughness (Cassidy) and you can adapt to the new game (Julien) while still retaining sound defensive principles and nothing about how Columbus plays screams antiquated to me.

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8 hours ago, Gatorman0519 said:

If we end up with something like 75 points again there is no way he survives imo.  TM was sent packing for the same thing. 

TM was sent packing because when he was asked how he would fix things he didn't have an answer.

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9 hours ago, kas23 said:

Correct. If he didn’t contact Q’s agent a week ago, I’d say he’s incompetent. That is, if Q signs with Florida, it doesn’t mean we were late to the game, it means he didn’t want to sign here. 

Yep, more of a relationship with Tallon

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Botterill should talk to all his key players and find out what is wrong and how they would fix it.   jmo

Then be sure to re-sign Skinner.

 

 

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