GASabresIUFAN Posted February 28, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, dudacek said: If I'm reading capfriendly correctly, Tampa will have about $6 million left next year to sign RFAs Point, Paquette and Erne, as well as replace UFAs Girardi, Stralman and Coburn.They will probably want to clear between $6 and $10 to sign Point and add to D. Callahan, Stamkos, Palat, Johnson, and Killorn have no movement clauses. Player-wise, Ristolainen makes so much sense for them next year. I wonder how much groundwork has been laid. I want more then Miller if I'm trading them Ristolainen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted February 28, 2019 Report Share Posted February 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said: I want more then Miller if I'm trading them Ristolainen Definitely. But we have to sweeten the pot by giving them their cap relief. How about: Miller, Callahan, Foote and Cirelli ($12.5 million) for Risto and Sobotka, ($8 million) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted February 28, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2019 Just now, dudacek said: Definitely. But we have to sweeten the pot by giving them their cap relief. How about: Miller, Callahan, Foote and Cirelli ($12.5 million) for Risto and Sobotka, ($8 million) Callahan has a NMC. Would you leave TB for Buffalo right now? Biggest issue is losing Risto leaves us with RHD's of Montour, Bogo, Nelson and Hunwick and we lose our most phyiscal player. Maybe sub Cernak for Cirelli. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader1969 Posted February 28, 2019 Report Share Posted February 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, dudacek said: Definitely. But we have to sweeten the pot by giving them their cap relief. How about: Miller, Callahan, Foote and Cirelli ($12.5 million) for Risto and Sobotka, ($8 million) If they can’t sign a high profile UFA then I think you are right that they will go out and make a trade and take on a bad contract to get a good young player / prospect as part of the package. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted February 28, 2019 Report Share Posted February 28, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said: Callahan has a NMC. Would you leave TB for Buffalo right now? Biggest issue is losing Risto leaves us with RHD's of Montour, Bogo, Nelson and Hunwick and we lose our most phyiscal player. Maybe sub Cernak for Cirelli. Nope. But if I won the cup this June, and I was from the Buffalo area, I might. But if all those guys exercise their clauses, they pretty much have to move Miller and/or Gourde. The simplest solution for them is to trade Miller for a pick/picks and cross their fingers that $11 million can pay for Point, Miller's replacement and two D. Do you trade the Blues 1st for Miller? Somebody will certainly trade something similar. Edited February 28, 2019 by dudacek 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted February 28, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, dudacek said: Nope. But if I won the cup this June, and I was from the Buffalo area, I might. But if all those guys exercise their clauses, they pretty much have to move Miller and/or Gourde. The simplest solution for them is to trade Miller for a pick/picks and cross their fingers that $11 million can pay for Point, Miller's replacement and two D. Do you trade the Blues 1st for Miller? Somebody will certainly trade something similar. What about Nylander and a 2nd in 2020? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted February 28, 2019 Report Share Posted February 28, 2019 I wouldn’t rule out Kevin Hayes, unless his contract demands get too high. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabre1974 Posted February 28, 2019 Report Share Posted February 28, 2019 4 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said: I want more then Miller if I'm trading them Ristolainen Interesting. Bring on the draft and free agency. 4 hours ago, dudacek said: If I'm reading capfriendly correctly, Tampa will have about $6 million left next year to sign RFAs Point, Paquette and Erne, as well as replace UFAs Girardi, Stralman and Coburn.They will probably want to clear between $6 and $10 to sign Point and add to D. Callahan, Stamkos, Palat, Johnson, and Killorn have no movement clauses. Player-wise, Ristolainen makes so much sense for them next year. I wonder how much groundwork has been laid. Bring on the draft and free agency. Interesting times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkard Posted February 28, 2019 Report Share Posted February 28, 2019 16 hours ago, Crusader1969 said: So we go into next season with the same forward group? I also started by saying "if" he is ready. The kid is 23 next season, played 3 seasons in the NCAA and 1 in AHL. Why is it impossible that he is NHL ready next season? no reason he couldn't complete for a roster spot next year. I have no problem with Borgen competing for a spot, but if it truly is an honest competition there's no way the spot he takes is Ristolainen's. If he's ready he should replace Nelson or Bogosian. Ristolainen has practically been our top RHD since he was drafted so he isn't the weakest link that needs to be replaced. The defense is stronger with him on it than it is with him gone and Bogosian or Nelson in his place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted February 28, 2019 Report Share Posted February 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Drunkard said: I have no problem with Borgen competing for a spot, but if it truly is an honest competition there's no way the spot he takes is Ristolainen's. If he's ready he should replace Nelson or Bogosian. Ristolainen has practically been our top RHD since he was drafted so he isn't the weakest link that needs to be replaced. The defense is stronger with him on it than it is with him gone and Bogosian or Nelson in his place. Crusader wasn't saying that Borgen would take Ristolainen's spot. That would likely go to Bogosian or Montour. But should they move up, there is now a lower tier hole to fill and Borgen would be in that mix. I'd prefer not trading away Risto, but any of the D could bein play to try to fix the forwards. (Seems to be spinning their wheels to trade him, but that is possible.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkard Posted February 28, 2019 Report Share Posted February 28, 2019 18 hours ago, Crusader1969 said: a big piece of the puzzle for me is Borgen. Is he ready to play in the NHL and provide someone like Dahlin a tough stay at home type to play with. If so, this definitely makes Risto available for a trade to bring in help for the forward group. I think they are 2 big pieces away from being a legit playoff team. 1 via trade 1 via free agency 13 minutes ago, Taro T said: Crusader wasn't saying that Borgen would take Ristolainen's spot. That would likely go to Bogosian or Montour. But should they move up, there is now a lower tier hole to fill and Borgen would be in that mix. I'd prefer not trading away Risto, but any of the D could bein play to try to fix the forwards. (Seems to be spinning their wheels to trade him, but that is possible.) As you can see above he said if Borgen was ready it definitely makes Ristolainen available for a trade to help the forwards. I think that would be a huge mistake. I'm not opposed to Borgen competing for a spot in Buffalo, I am against trading Ristolainen. If Borgen's play warrants a spot on the roster, I'd prefer they demote or move somebody lower on the depth chart (like Bogosian or Nelson). There are better way to improve our forward ranks than shipping off our best defenseman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted February 28, 2019 Report Share Posted February 28, 2019 52 minutes ago, Drunkard said: As you can see above he said if Borgen was ready it definitely makes Ristolainen available for a trade to help the forwards. I think that would be a huge mistake. I'm not opposed to Borgen competing for a spot in Buffalo, I am against trading Ristolainen. If Borgen's play warrants a spot on the roster, I'd prefer they demote or move somebody lower on the depth chart (like Bogosian or Nelson). There are better way to improve our forward ranks than shipping off our best defenseman. Fair enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetlou Posted February 28, 2019 Report Share Posted February 28, 2019 (edited) 13 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said: Callahan has a NMC. Would you leave TB for Buffalo right now? Biggest issue is losing Risto leaves us with RHD's of Montour, Bogo, Nelson and Hunwick and we lose our most phyiscal player. Maybe sub Cernak for Cirelli. Callahan would come to Buffalo since he was born and grew up in Roch. I just don't want that contract even if it is only for one year. Miller's modified NTC does not kick in until next season. He will be moved before or at the draft. I have been a big believer in JT Miller since he was with NYR. I feel he can slot into the #2 center until Mitts has developed. Then slide to the #3 or any of the wings. Tampa still has Hedman, McDonagh, and Sergachev as offensive RD. I believe McCabe fits into Tampa's d plans better. So if Tampa has to gain cap space instead of Risto could they be looking for a McCabe. Would be a couple of million cheaper then Risto. If they want RD then its Risto or Bogo. Would you do a deal with McCabe for Miller? Bogo for Miller doesn't give them cap space so there would be a much bigger deal in place. If they want Risto, I want Sergachev in return, but this doesn't relieve them of cap space. I do feel Buffalo has some options on D and feel still that either 1 or 2 of either McCabe, Risto, Scandella, or Bogo will be moved before next year. Edited February 28, 2019 by sweetlou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted March 1, 2019 Report Share Posted March 1, 2019 Interesting article on RFAs and cap hell for Tampa, Winnipeg and Toronto in athletic: https://theathletic.com/844448/2019/03/01/lebrun-looking-ahead-to-the-nhls-roster-altering-headline-making-offseason-storylines/ For those who have access Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted March 1, 2019 Report Share Posted March 1, 2019 1 hour ago, North Buffalo said: Interesting article on RFAs and cap hell for Tampa, Winnipeg and Toronto in athletic: https://theathletic.com/844448/2019/03/01/lebrun-looking-ahead-to-the-nhls-roster-altering-headline-making-offseason-storylines/ For those who have access We have the assets and cap space to take advantage of this; I believe Botterill has been building toward taking advantage of this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted March 1, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, dudacek said: We have the assets and cap space to take advantage of this; I believe Botterill has been building toward taking advantage of this. JT Miller here we come. ? So you think Jbot acquired Montour to trade Risto to TB? Edited March 1, 2019 by GASabresIUFAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted March 1, 2019 Report Share Posted March 1, 2019 7 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said: JT Miller here we come. ? So you think Jbot acquired Montour to trade Risto to TB? I think he acquired Montour because he covets his ability to add to the five-man attack. But I think it opens the door for a Risto trade, which was unthinkable when it left Bogo/Nelson/Borgen/Tennyson as our right side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkard Posted March 1, 2019 Report Share Posted March 1, 2019 56 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said: JT Miller here we come. ? So you think Jbot acquired Montour to trade Risto to TB? I'm glad it makes you happy but if this comes to pass all Botterill did was downgrade two positions. O'Reilly to Miller is a significant downgrade at #2 center Ristolainen to Montour is a downgrade at #1 RHD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted March 1, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Drunkard said: I'm glad it makes you happy but if this comes to pass all Botterill did was downgrade two positions. O'Reilly to Miller is a significant downgrade at #2 center Ristolainen to Montour is a downgrade at #1 RHD Maybe, but the ultimate question is will the team be better, but does it free up money to improve the team elsewhere? If we add Miller and Montour to replace Risto and ROR and the team makes the playoffs next year who are we to say that was the wrong course of action? Please note I am not in favor of trading Risto. My preference is to upgrade Bogo and Scandella. Edited March 1, 2019 by GASabresIUFAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted March 1, 2019 Report Share Posted March 1, 2019 8 minutes ago, Drunkard said: Ristolainen to Montour is a downgrade at #1 RHD Is he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted March 1, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Is he? He is better defensively oddly enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted March 1, 2019 Report Share Posted March 1, 2019 5 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said: He is better defensively oddly enough. Risto is or Montour is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkard Posted March 1, 2019 Report Share Posted March 1, 2019 6 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Is he? I would say so, although not as big of a downgrade as the one from O'Reilly to Miller. I just don't get why so many people want Ristolainen gone. He's better than everyone else we have on the right side. He provides offense, rarely misses time due to injuries despite being one of our most physical players, and he manages to hold his own despite getting thrown to the wolves from early on in his career. Despite that you never hear him bitch or complain to the press. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted March 1, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2019 6 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Risto is or Montour is? Montour is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkard Posted March 1, 2019 Report Share Posted March 1, 2019 1 minute ago, GASabresIUFAN said: Montour is. We'll see if that holds when he's facing top line duties with little to no help because Bogosian gets hurt and Botterill ships off Ristolainen to try fix his #2 center mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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