WildCard Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 24 minutes ago, TrueBlueGED said: Is Risto actually creating more offense at 5v5 or is he still just feasting on PP points? Montour has a good 5v5 primary assist rate. I can't look it up right now but I don't think Risto gets nearly as much pp time as he used to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnRobertEichel Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 22 minutes ago, ct fab said: Montour = Less offense than Risto, more offense than McCabe. Much better defensively/muh better hockey IQ than either of them. Solid solid trade. Guhle was never a JB guy and those late 1st are a bit hit or miss and the 2019 draft is supposed to have a sever dropoff after the high teens anyway First round NHL draft picks in the 20's are very overrated among fans. If you were to tell me that we were going to draft a 24-year old Montour with 3 years of pro experience already with that SJ pick, I would have jumped on that. And Guhle is a career 3rd-liner d-man at best. This was a very solid trade on its own (not factoring in a potential Risto trade to come, which I am going to be against under most circumstances). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 16 minutes ago, JJFIVEOH said: If this means Ristolainen getting shipped out, I'll be highly disappointed. If that's what it means, shouldn't we wait to see what the return is first? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthEbriate Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, JJFIVEOH said: There are holes on this team that need to be fixed, obviously. They're still a ways away from being serious contenders. Ristolainen isn't one of the problems. I'm not liking where this is going. It is a little troubling. Dahlin isn't ready for Risto's all-the-time minutes. And Ristolainen is our only defenseman who consistently agitates the opposition's top guys. Bogo is physical, but I never get the sense that he just gets Crosby and Ovechkin angry (and possibly off their game a tidy bit). But I like having Montour more than having Guhle. The first? Well... that's the gamble. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, Marchand'sNose said: First round NHL draft picks in the 20's are very overrated among fans. If you were to tell me that we were going to draft a 24-year old Montour with 3 years of pro experience already with that SJ pick, I would have jumped on that. And Guhle is a career 3rd-liner d-man at best. This was a very solid trade on its own (not factoring in a potential Risto trade to come, which I am going to be against under most circumstances). I think this is a great use of that pick. Makes the future look a little less far away. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, TrueBlueGED said: If that's what it means, shouldn't we wait to see what the return is first? Nope, like many fans their minds are made up 4 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said: It is a little troubling. Dahlin isn't ready for Risto's all-the-time minutes. And Ristolainen is our only defenseman who consistently agitates the opposition's top guys. Bogo is physical, but I never get the sense that he just gets Crosby and Ovechkin angry (and possibly off their game a tidy bit). But I like having Montour more than having Guhle. The first? Well... that's the gamble. Opponents literally laugh at him on the ice 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 1 minute ago, DarthEbriate said: It is a little troubling. Dahlin isn't ready for Risto's all-the-time minutes. And Ristolainen is our only defenseman who consistently agitates the opposition's top guys. Bogo is physical, but I never get the sense that he just gets Crosby and Ovechkin angry (and possibly off their game a tidy bit). But I like having Montour more than having Guhle. The first? Well... that's the gamble. Bogo and Risto have, and this is without looking it up, nearly the same sense in passing/clearing the zone. Of the two, I'd much rather Bogo be on his way out. I like Risto for his intangibles as well. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indabuff Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 Don't know the dude and it sounds like some people aren't exactly thrilled about it but I'm glad JB still has a pulse. Was starting to think this was a Weekend at Bernie's situation with him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthEbriate Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 1 minute ago, ... said: I think this is a great use of that pick. Makes the future look a little less far away. Always in motion the future is. We could now turn Risto around for picks and prospects and be right back into the past. (But if Risto moves --- I'm not taking anything less than a top 6 F and a top D prospect... if I'm Lobot GM JBot.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 And just think we could have had him for nothing. Instead TM drafted Lemieux, Cornel and Karabacek in the 2nd rd in 2014. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 Just now, DarthEbriate said: Always in motion the future is. We could now turn Risto around for picks and prospects and be right back into the past. (But if Risto moves --- I'm not taking anything less than a top 6 F and a top D prospect... if I'm Lobot GM JBot.) If Risto moves, we get a 1st at the same level and some other decent piece, at least. I think all it does, at worst, is put us back where we were before the Montour trade, future-looking-wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said: And just think we could have had him for nothing. Instead TM drafted Lemieux, Cornel and Karabacek in the 2nd rd in 2014. Hindsight is 20/20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthEbriate Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, inkman said: Opponents literally laugh at him on the ice Sure -- he's not going to fight. And he's useless in a fight from the one or two times I've seen. But he does play physical. And Ovie took the worse of taking a run at him last game early on. Ovechkin crushes Dahlin with that hit (and also probably doesn't take that run at Dahlin unless it's playoff time). That is the allure of Ristolainen to a team like TB. Laughter is all well and good, but Ristolainen is a sturdy beast out there as well. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, ... said: Bogo and Risto have, and this is without looking it up, nearly the same sense in passing/clearing the zone. Of the two, I'd much rather Bogo be on his way out. I like Risto for his intangibles as well. I'm not sure Risto was ever commended for having intangibles. I know its never crossed my mind. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 8 minutes ago, inkman said: Nope, like many fans their minds are made up Opponents literally laugh at him on the ice Who laughs at who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 Just now, Weave said: I'm not sure Risto was ever commended for having intangibles. I know its never crossed my mind. Ice time? Commitment? Good locker room guy? Team leader? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmel Corn Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said: Sure -- he's not going to fight. And he's useless in a fight from the one or two times I've seen. But he does play physical. And Ovie took the worse of taking a run at him last game early on. Ovechkin crushes Dahlin with that hit (and also probably doesn't take that run at Dahlin unless it's playoff time). That is the allure of Ristolainen to a team like TB. Laughter is all well and good, but Ristolainen is a sturdy beast out there as well. Agreed. I don't think Kucherov was laughing after Risto pancaked him the other day. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwwD2kZMh3o 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallawaySabres Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 If they trade risto, we will be the softest team in the entire NHL by a large margin 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottysabres Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 David Pagnotta @TheFourthPeriod 7m7 minutes ago More Hearing Sabres have a couple things still cooking. Told talks on moving Beaulieu have picked up the last few days. Not sure Ristolainen is truly in play, but we’ll see. Team wants to upgrade forward corps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthEbriate Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 (edited) From the completely useless department... what I will term the "Battle Droid Factory"... as it stands right now: Stafford (UFA) + Myers + Armia + Lemieux + STL 2015 1st + Guhle + SJS 2019 ===> Bogosian + O’Regan + Sheary + Hunwick + Montour (with some contributions from Kane in the interim, and Kasdorf as a throw-in) Edit: with the understanding that dropping Staff and Myers for an injured Kane that season was going to help significantly in finishing last and guaranteeing McEichel. Edited February 25, 2019 by DarthEbriate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyldnwoody44 Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 Idk why, but I think Montour is gonna thrive here, I think this trade is going to be very helpful in the long term scheme, it's a touch too late for this season, but a couple more savvy moves like this between now and next season Puck drop, and I think we're on a good road. Where's Jame, I wanna see what he hates about this trade 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 Montour - Dhalin Ristolainen - Pilut ( I know he is send down) Bogo - McCabe 2/4 below need to go, I like Hunwick and Beaulieu the most out of them. Beaulieu/Nelson Scandella/Hunwick 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 1 hour ago, ExWNYer said: Was he in Kajagoogoo? Love this trade, BTW. hush, hush 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LikeEich Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 I really like the trade. Certainly wasn't a steal but a fair price. Please can the "now that we have a respectable blue line let's trade Risto" stop. Please 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 I'm neither excited nor upset by this trade. I wish however the pick was for our lowest first. I think that's my only gripe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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