matter2003 Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, MakeSabresGrr8Again said: whose expectations? Yours, the guy in the seat next to you, your barber or...? The expectations they should be better than dudes drafted 15 to 20 places lower then them...this isn't the NFL...it's a little easier to tell who will be really good in the NHL Edited February 20, 2019 by matter2003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmel Corn Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 7 minutes ago, MakeSabresGrr8Again said: whose expectations? Yours, the guy in the seat next to you, your barber or...? Let's look at the R1 and R2 picks each year since 2010. Are we happy with the results? 2010 1 23 Mark Pysyk 2011 1 16 Joel Armia Finland RW 180 26 32 58 54 2012 1 12 Mikhail Grigorenko Russia C 217 22 42 64 30 2012 1 14 Zemgus Girgensons ₪ Latvia C 348 44 57 101 103 2012 2 44 Jake McCabe United States D 215 10 37 47 118 2013 1 8 Rasmus Ristolainen Finland D 346 31 120 151 171 2013 1 16 Nikita Zadorov Russia D 222 11 37 48 243 2013 2 35 J.T. Compher United States C 90 16 12 28 24 2013 2 38 Connor Hurley United States C 0 2013 2 52 Justin Bailey United States RW 52 5 3 8 8 2014 1 2 Sam Reinhart Canada C 249 65 75 140 44 2014 2 31 Brendan Lemieux Canada LW 9 1 0 1 21 2014 2 44 Eric Cornel Canada C 0 2014 2 49 Vaclav Karabacek Czech Republic RW 0 2015 1 2 Jack Eichel United States C 209 73 104 177 76 2015 2 51 Brendan Guhle Canada D 21 0 5 5 10 2016 1 8 Alexander Nylander Sweden LW 7 1 1 2 0 2016 2 33 Rasmus Asplund Sweden C 0 2017 1 8 Casey Mittelstadt United States C 6 1 4 5 2 2017 2 37 Marcus Davidsson Sweden C 0 2017 2 54 Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen 2018 1 1 Rasmus Dahlin 2018 2 32 Mattias Samuelsson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakeSabresGrr8Again Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, matter2003 said: Not really...look at Barzal with the Islanders...dude had 85 points his first year after 1 year in the minors Barzal had Tavares to learn from even if only 1year. Tell me who Jack had to learn from, oh yeah that's right, he got to learn how to be a 2C from ROR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samson's Flow Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, Carmel Corn said: Let's look at the R1 and R2 picks each year since 2010. Are we happy with the results? 2010 1 23 Mark Pysyk 2011 1 16 Joel Armia Finland RW 180 26 32 58 54 2012 1 12 Mikhail Grigorenko Russia C 217 22 42 64 30 2012 1 14 Zemgus Girgensons ₪ Latvia C 348 44 57 101 103 2012 2 44 Jake McCabe United States D 215 10 37 47 118 2013 1 8 Rasmus Ristolainen Finland D 346 31 120 151 171 2013 1 16 Nikita Zadorov Russia D 222 11 37 48 243 2013 2 35 J.T. Compher United States C 90 16 12 28 24 2013 2 38 Connor Hurley United States C 0 2013 2 52 Justin Bailey United States RW 52 5 3 8 8 2014 1 2 Sam Reinhart Canada C 249 65 75 140 44 2014 2 31 Brendan Lemieux Canada LW 9 1 0 1 21 2014 2 44 Eric Cornel Canada C 0 2014 2 49 Vaclav Karabacek Czech Republic RW 0 2015 1 2 Jack Eichel United States C 209 73 104 177 76 2015 2 51 Brendan Guhle Canada D 21 0 5 5 10 2016 1 8 Alexander Nylander Sweden LW 7 1 1 2 0 2016 2 33 Rasmus Asplund Sweden C 0 2017 1 8 Casey Mittelstadt United States C 6 1 4 5 2 2017 2 37 Marcus Davidsson Sweden C 0 2017 2 54 Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen 2018 1 1 Rasmus Dahlin 2018 2 32 Mattias Samuelsson The bolded is a huge reason why we are in this mess IMO. No difference makers in the lot, and only two solid pieces (Risto & McCabe) in 4 years. Those should be our 23-26 yr old players in prime roles. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakeSabresGrr8Again Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 11 minutes ago, matter2003 said: The expectations they should be better than dudes drafted 15 to 20 places lower then them...this isn't the NFL...it's a little easier to tell who will be really good in the NHL Tell me which draft that every player drafted after ours for 15-20 spots has developed better than ours. Or were you planning on "cherry picking"?. Also remember that every other team has experienced where players behind theirs in the draft have developed better too. Everyone is questioning Boston's 3 picks recently. You could continually cherry pick on and on and on, all day long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted February 20, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 2 hours ago, Scottysabres said: Welcome aboard, been saying it since middle of last season. What's this ship called? I have been floating in a see of sadness for a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmel Corn Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 30 minutes ago, MakeSabresGrr8Again said: Tell me which draft that every player drafted after ours for 15-20 spots has developed better than ours. Or were you planning on "cherry picking"?. Also remember that every other team has experienced where players behind theirs in the draft have developed better too. Everyone is questioning Boston's 3 picks recently. You could continually cherry pick on and on and on, all day long. OK, let's do this. Here is the history of our R3 - R7 Picks since 2010. How many of these picks have played for the Sabres and how much impact have they made? I would argue that our drafting history since 2010 has been poor by any measure. The vast majority have played "0" games in the NHL. This is not cherry-picking. 2010 3 68 Jerome Gauthier-Leduc Canada D 0 2010 3 75 Kevin Sundher Canada C 0 2010 3 83 Matt MacKenzie Canada D 0 2010 4 98 Steven Shipley Canada C 0 2010 5 143 Greg Sutch Canada RW 0 2010 6 173 Cedrick Henley Canada LW 0 2010 7 203 Christian Isackson United States RW 0 2010 7 208 Riley Boychuk Canada LW 0 2011 3 77 Daniel Catenacci Canada C 11 0 0 0 0 2011 4 107 Colin Jacobs United States C 0 2011 5 137 Alex Lepkowski United States D 0 2011 6 167 Nathan Lieuwen Canada G 7 0 0 0 0 1 4 0 0 .906 2011 7 197 Brad Navin United States C 0 2012 3 73 Justin Kea Canada C 0 2012 5 133 Logan Nelson United States C 0 2012 6 163 Linus Ullmark Sweden G 26 0 0 0 0 9 13 0 2 .917 2012 7 193 Brady Austin Canada D 5 0 0 0 4 2012 7 204 Judd Peterson United States C 0 2013 3 69 Nicholas Baptiste Canada RW 47 7 3 10 20 2013 5 129 Calvin Petersen United States G 0 2013 5 130 Gustav Possler Sweden RW 0 2013 5 143 Anthony Florentino United States D 0 2013 6 159 Sean Malone United States C 1 0 0 0 0 2013 7 189 Eric Locke United States C 0 2014 3 61 Jonas Johansson Sweden G 0 2014 3 74 Brycen Martin Canada D 0 2014 5 121 Maxwell Willman United States C 0 2014 6 151 Christopher Brown United States C 0 2014 7 181 Victor Olofsson Sweden RW 0 2015 4 92 William Borgen United States D 0 2015 5 122 Devante Stephens Canada D 0 2015 6 152 Giorgio Estephan Canada C 0 2015 7 182 Ivan Chukarov United States D 0 2016 3 69 Cliff Pu Canada C 0 2016 3 86 Casey Fitzgerald United States D 0 2016 4 99 Brett Murray Canada LW 0 2016 5 129 Philip Nyberg Sweden D 0 2016 5 130 Vojtech Budik Czech Republic D 0 2016 6 159 Brandon Hagel Canada LW 0 2016 7 189 Austin Osmanski United States D 0 2016 7 190 Vasily Glotov Russia C 0 2017 3 89 Oskari Laaksonen Finland D 0 2017 4 99 Jacob Bryson Canada D 0 2017 7 192 Linus Weissbach Sweden LW 0 2018 4 94 Matej Pekar Czech Republic C 2018 4 117 Linus Lindstrom Cronholm Sweden D 2018 5 125 Miska Kukkonen Finland D 2018 7 187 William Worge Kreu Sweden D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted February 20, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 Anyone else notice it starts to look better in 2016? There's some possibilities from that draft and it continues past the GM change. Interesting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottysabres Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: What's this ship called? I have been floating in a see of sadness for a long time. Well then, we shall call it the SS SheShed? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 2 hours ago, dudacek said: Why do we blame our few good players for the flaws of the team? Casey Mittelstadt and Tage Thompson have 15 goals and 15 assists combined and regularly turn the puck over. Offensive defenseman Lawrence Pilut has one goal in 25 games and is regularly ground down along the walls and overpowered in front of the net. The only player with more soft plays on this team than those three is our golden boy Rasmus Dahlin. CJ Smith has consistently failed to find space or make plays. Sobotka, Girgensons and Larsson might not score 15 this year combined. That's nearly half the roster. But we excuse the play of the kids in our complaining because we have too much hope invested in them and we need to find hope in something. Instead, we want to trade Eichel and Reinhart and Ristolainen because we used to have hope for them and the team is still bad. Here's an idea: let's keep our good players, develop our youngsters and bring in more good players. This "cut them all" mentality drives me nuts. This place is getting angry. It’s been that way for years, now. Same ol’, same ol’. Accordingly, I’m for cutting Dudacek. #noonebetterbetakingmeseriously 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakeSabresGrr8Again Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Samson's Flow said: The bolded is a huge reason why we are in this mess IMO. No difference makers in the lot, and only two solid pieces (Risto & McCabe) in 4 years. Those should be our 23-26 yr old players in prime roles. Your bolded is totally irrelevant to the standings in the NHL. Edmonton drafted..... 2010...Taylor Hall, Tyler Pitlick, Martin Marincin 2011...RNH, Klefbom, David Musil 2012...Yak, mitchell Moroz 2013...Nurse, Marc-Olivier Roy And they sit in 27th place overall Meanwhile, Toronto has drafted... 2010...Brad Ross 2011...Tyler Biggs, Stuart Percy (both 1st dr) 2012...Morgan Rielly, Matt Finn 2013...Fred Gauthier And they sit in 6th place overall We could go on like this all day, the draft is a "crap"shoot. 46 minutes ago, Carmel Corn said: OK, let's do this. Here is the history of our R3 - R7 Picks since 2010. How many of these picks have played for the Sabres and how much impact have they made? I would argue that our drafting history since 2010 has been poor by any measure. The vast majority have played "0" games in the NHL. This is not cherry-picking. 2010 3 68 Jerome Gauthier-Leduc Canada D 0 2010 3 75 Kevin Sundher Canada C 0 2010 3 83 Matt MacKenzie Canada D 0 2010 4 98 Steven Shipley Canada C 0 2010 5 143 Greg Sutch Canada RW 0 2010 6 173 Cedrick Henley Canada LW 0 2010 7 203 Christian Isackson United States RW 0 2010 7 208 Riley Boychuk Canada LW 0 2011 3 77 Daniel Catenacci Canada C 11 0 0 0 0 2011 4 107 Colin Jacobs United States C 0 2011 5 137 Alex Lepkowski United States D 0 2011 6 167 Nathan Lieuwen Canada G 7 0 0 0 0 1 4 0 0 .906 2011 7 197 Brad Navin United States C 0 2012 3 73 Justin Kea Canada C 0 2012 5 133 Logan Nelson United States C 0 2012 6 163 Linus Ullmark Sweden G 26 0 0 0 0 9 13 0 2 .917 2012 7 193 Brady Austin Canada D 5 0 0 0 4 2012 7 204 Judd Peterson United States C 0 2013 3 69 Nicholas Baptiste Canada RW 47 7 3 10 20 2013 5 129 Calvin Petersen United States G 0 2013 5 130 Gustav Possler Sweden RW 0 2013 5 143 Anthony Florentino United States D 0 2013 6 159 Sean Malone United States C 1 0 0 0 0 2013 7 189 Eric Locke United States C 0 2014 3 61 Jonas Johansson Sweden G 0 2014 3 74 Brycen Martin Canada D 0 2014 5 121 Maxwell Willman United States C 0 2014 6 151 Christopher Brown United States C 0 2014 7 181 Victor Olofsson Sweden RW 0 2015 4 92 William Borgen United States D 0 2015 5 122 Devante Stephens Canada D 0 2015 6 152 Giorgio Estephan Canada C 0 2015 7 182 Ivan Chukarov United States D 0 2016 3 69 Cliff Pu Canada C 0 2016 3 86 Casey Fitzgerald United States D 0 2016 4 99 Brett Murray Canada LW 0 2016 5 129 Philip Nyberg Sweden D 0 2016 5 130 Vojtech Budik Czech Republic D 0 2016 6 159 Brandon Hagel Canada LW 0 2016 7 189 Austin Osmanski United States D 0 2016 7 190 Vasily Glotov Russia C 0 2017 3 89 Oskari Laaksonen Finland D 0 2017 4 99 Jacob Bryson Canada D 0 2017 7 192 Linus Weissbach Sweden LW 0 2018 4 94 Matej Pekar Czech Republic C 2018 4 117 Linus Lindstrom Cronholm Sweden D 2018 5 125 Miska Kukkonen Finland D 2018 7 187 William Worge Kreu Sweden D This doesn't even come close to answering my question...deflecting??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnRobertEichel Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 Risto is currently at a career -125. He is on pace to destroy Bob Stewart's NHL-worst career plus/minus of -260. A lot of the blame, however, for Risto's plus/minus should go to the atrocious rosters he's been on and to an atrocious franchise that has mismanaged his career from the beginning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beer Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 54 minutes ago, Carmel Corn said: OK, let's do this. Here is the history of our R3 - R7 Picks since 2010. How many of these picks have played for the Sabres and how much impact have they made? I would argue that our drafting history since 2010 has been poor by any measure. The vast majority have played "0" games in the NHL. This is not cherry-picking. 2010 3 68 Jerome Gauthier-Leduc Canada D 0 2010 3 75 Kevin Sundher Canada C 0 2010 3 83 Matt MacKenzie Canada D 0 2010 4 98 Steven Shipley Canada C 0 2010 5 143 Greg Sutch Canada RW 0 2010 6 173 Cedrick Henley Canada LW 0 2010 7 203 Christian Isackson United States RW 0 2010 7 208 Riley Boychuk Canada LW 0 2011 3 77 Daniel Catenacci Canada C 11 0 0 0 0 2011 4 107 Colin Jacobs United States C 0 2011 5 137 Alex Lepkowski United States D 0 2011 6 167 Nathan Lieuwen Canada G 7 0 0 0 0 1 4 0 0 .906 2011 7 197 Brad Navin United States C 0 2012 3 73 Justin Kea Canada C 0 2012 5 133 Logan Nelson United States C 0 2012 6 163 Linus Ullmark Sweden G 26 0 0 0 0 9 13 0 2 .917 2012 7 193 Brady Austin Canada D 5 0 0 0 4 2012 7 204 Judd Peterson United States C 0 2013 3 69 Nicholas Baptiste Canada RW 47 7 3 10 20 2013 5 129 Calvin Petersen United States G 0 2013 5 130 Gustav Possler Sweden RW 0 2013 5 143 Anthony Florentino United States D 0 2013 6 159 Sean Malone United States C 1 0 0 0 0 2013 7 189 Eric Locke United States C 0 2014 3 61 Jonas Johansson Sweden G 0 2014 3 74 Brycen Martin Canada D 0 2014 5 121 Maxwell Willman United States C 0 2014 6 151 Christopher Brown United States C 0 2014 7 181 Victor Olofsson Sweden RW 0 2015 4 92 William Borgen United States D 0 2015 5 122 Devante Stephens Canada D 0 2015 6 152 Giorgio Estephan Canada C 0 2015 7 182 Ivan Chukarov United States D 0 2016 3 69 Cliff Pu Canada C 0 2016 3 86 Casey Fitzgerald United States D 0 2016 4 99 Brett Murray Canada LW 0 2016 5 129 Philip Nyberg Sweden D 0 2016 5 130 Vojtech Budik Czech Republic D 0 2016 6 159 Brandon Hagel Canada LW 0 2016 7 189 Austin Osmanski United States D 0 2016 7 190 Vasily Glotov Russia C 0 2017 3 89 Oskari Laaksonen Finland D 0 2017 4 99 Jacob Bryson Canada D 0 2017 7 192 Linus Weissbach Sweden LW 0 2018 4 94 Matej Pekar Czech Republic C 2018 4 117 Linus Lindstrom Cronholm Sweden D 2018 5 125 Miska Kukkonen Finland D 2018 7 187 William Worge Kreu Sweden D You missed Cal Peterson. He was in goal for the Kings when they beat us a couple weeks ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_sauve28 Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 No and hell no. The team isn't playing like a team. It's playing like a bunch of guys in a beer league or something. Is that Risto's fault? The coach is a kid in over his head, it seems to me. Risto is a player I'd never trade. Tough, talented and on a team that needs some more direction, imo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 (edited) No the team is young and I expect younger next year with more talent... patience is needed... though I have to admit the downturn this year has been frustrating. Edited February 20, 2019 by North Buffalo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 50, or so, replies to a joke thread by that big joker. It actually seems that most of you took it seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmel Corn Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 40 minutes ago, MakeSabresGrr8Again said: Your bolded is totally irrelevant to the standings in the NHL. Edmonton drafted..... 2010...Taylor Hall, Tyler Pitlick, Martin Marincin 2011...RNH, Klefbom, David Musil 2012...Yak, mitchell Moroz 2013...Nurse, Marc-Olivier Roy And they sit in 27th place overall Meanwhile, Toronto has drafted... 2010...Brad Ross 2011...Tyler Biggs, Stuart Percy (both 1st dr) 2012...Morgan Rielly, Matt Finn 2013...Fred Gauthier And they sit in 6th place overall We could go on like this all day, the draft is a "crap"shoot. This doesn't even come close to answering my question...deflecting??? Not deflecting at all....my point is that we drafted poorly and that is a key reason we are where we are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmel Corn Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, New Scotland (NS) said: 50, or so, replies to a joke thread by that big joker. It actually seems that most of you took it seriously. I don't see it that way....people have been suggesting this for quite a while now. It's not an Olof Pilar thread. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 Just now, Carmel Corn said: I don't see it that way....people have been suggesting this for quite a while now. It's not an Olof Pilar thread. Sent you a beer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 4 hours ago, LGR4GM said: Yup, you heard me. I think we should trade Ristolainen but not for picks or questionable prospects. I mean for either a center or different RHD. You'd be doing him a big favor. Look at the last string of players we've cut or traded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Kruppstahl said: Risto has been a bad defenseman nearly his entire time on the team. there is a perception he is good; he's not. He brings a little bit of grit to the lineup, but that is easily replaced if we want to. His greater value lies as a trade subject, if you can find someone who still thinks he's a good up and coming young d-man. Yep, easily replaced: In the five years since Risto arrived, the Sabres have tried Jamie McBain, Nikita Zadorov, Jake McCabe, Chad Ruhwedel, Andrej Meszaros, Andre Benoit, Zach Bogosian, Josh Gorges, Tyson Strachan, Cody Franson, Carlo Colaiacovo, Casey Nelson, Justin Falk, Taylor Fedun, Dimitri Kulikov, Eric Burgdoerfer, Brendan Guhle, Brady Austin, Marco Scandella, Viktor Antipin, Zach Redmond, Nathan Beaulieu, Matt Tennyson, Lawrence Pilut and Matt Hunwick. 25 ***** players, not one of them better than Risto. We literally won the freaking lottery last year and picked the best prospect defenceman in 25 years and Risto is still our top guy. Easy peasy. 2 hours ago, SDS said: So the idea here is that the fans have a solid read and who he is as a player and the hope is that we can trick one of those big dummy general managers, that worked their way up to the top of their profession, in hopes that their scouting department and entire roster-building structure has no idea what they’re getting? Sounds like a solid plan. Building an NHL team is dead simple. It's not like you need things like three world junior gold medals, an NCAA title, a professional playing career that includes a Calder Cup title, an MBA, a stint with NHL Central registry, time as a scout, or 10 years as an assistant general manager for a team that won three Stanley Cups on your resume. Anybody can be a GM. Edited February 20, 2019 by dudacek 3 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 Echoing @dudacek here. The guy is their best defenseman. Better move is to trade McCabe for a roster player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Rhea Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 9 minutes ago, dudacek said: Yep, easily replaced: In the five years since Risto arrived, the Sabres have tried Jamie McBain, Nikita Zadorov, Jake McCabe, Chad Ruhwedel, Andrej Meszaros, Andre Benoit, Zach Bogosian, Josh Gorges, Tyson Strachan, Cody Franson, Carlo Colaiacovo, Casey Nelson, Justin Falk, Taylor Fedun, Dimitri Kulikov, Eric Burgdoerfer, Brendan Guhle, Brady Austin, Marco Scandella, Viktor Antipin, Zach Redmond, Nathan Beaulieu, Matt Tennyson, Lawrence Pilut and Matt Hunwick. 25 ***** players, not one of them better than Risto. We literally won the freaking lottery last year and picked the best prospect defenceman in 25 years and Risto is still our top guy. Easy peasy. Building an NHL team is dead simple. It's not like you need things like three world junior gold medals, an NCAA title, a professional playing career that includes a Calder Cup title, an MBA, a stint with NHL Central registry, time as a scout, or 10 years as an assistant general manager for a team that won three Stanley Cups on your resume. Anybody can be a GM. I think you just summed up most of but not all of Ristos problems, the garbage he has had to play with in his early career so far. Throw in his 4th head coach in 6 years and it's no wonder why the best of Risto hasn't been seen yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torpedo Forecheck Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, bob_sauve28 said: No and hell no. The team isn't playing like a team. It's playing like a bunch of guys in a beer league or something. Is that Risto's fault? The coach is a kid in over his head, it seems to me. Risto is a player I'd never trade. Tough, talented and on a team that needs some more direction, imo He's a horse and they're hard to come by. Earlier in the year he was playing better than now. He has been asked to play without much support recently. I attribute much of the regression of the team to lack of depth and talent. Like it or not people need to realize it takes time. People saying Its been X number of years since......have no clue as to how these hockey teams are built. The core of this team Risto, Jack, Skinner, Sam, Dahlin,Bogo aren't in need of replacement-only more growth and support. Edited February 20, 2019 by Torpedo Forecheck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radar Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 Wouldn't trade him. Sometimes I think he's cast into a larger role than ideally he should play but that's because of our limitations player wise on our team right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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