That Aud Smell Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 52 minutes ago, R_Dudley said: Nice use of stats masquerading as charts, Ducks and runs for cover... Lol. I love Tierney's charts. So pretty! They often confuse me, though. Tierney's Corsi graphs plot the Sabres right between "Dull" and "Bad." I struggle with how to translate that into normal hockey/sports-speak. Like - what does it mean to be betwixt and between being dull and bad? Also, I have often found that characterization (dull/bad) would not really square with my experience in watching the team. I dunno. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 14 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said: Lol. I love Tierney's charts. So pretty! They often confuse me, though. Tierney's Corsi graphs plot the Sabres right between "Dull" and "Bad." I struggle with how to translate that into normal hockey/sports-speak. Like - what does it mean to be betwixt and between being dull and bad? Also, I have often found that characterization (dull/bad) would not really square with my experience in watching the team. I dunno. Almost sounds like the charts are somewhere between BS and horsecock. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_sauve28 Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 7 hours ago, New Scotland (NS) said: The Sabres play tonight ... so forget all your duties, oh yeah ... ? Seems like we will not be able to watch our Swedish hottie(s) take on their Swedish hottie. Just give me another win and I do not care how, or what it looks like. I can fly to Europe much faster than I can get to see duda, buno, or Rick ... this geography lesson brought to you by NS. The most MUST WIN!! since the last MUST WIN!! So, MUST WIN!! GO SABRES!! I will be sleeping in tomorrow! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, PASabreFan said: Almost sounds like the charts are somewhere between BS and horsecock. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted January 18, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, bob_sauve28 said: I will be sleeping in tomorrow! The game starts at 11 PM here. I probably won't even make it to puck drop. I will be up at 6:00 AM tomorrow morning, as usual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 (edited) This is actually interesting and something people hopefully do enjoy. It shows the Sabres and the Canucks side by side. https://www.waveintel.org/versus?platform=hootsuite Getting ahead on Vancouver causes them a ton of issues where as the Sabres have a better comeback ability. Edited January 18, 2019 by LGR4GM 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 1 hour ago, LGR4GM said: His controlled breakouts are crazy high. His controlled zone entries are also crazy high. Is that what the chart is about? And does this one dude "hand track" every possession-exit and break-up in every game, for every defenseman? Is he good at it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakeSabresGrr8Again Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, PASabreFan said: Is that what the chart is about? And does this one dude "hand track" every possession-exit and break-up in every game, for every defenseman? Is he good at it? I think you just raised the ....."excite meter" to another level, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 Gotta be back doing CT tonight so Ill watch on my computer at work. May miss part of the first but its late enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 31 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said: Lol. I love Tierney's charts. So pretty! They often confuse me, though. Tierney's Corsi graphs plot the Sabres right between "Dull" and "Bad." I struggle with how to translate that into normal hockey/sports-speak. Like - what does it mean to be betwixt and between being dull and bad? Also, I have often found that characterization (dull/bad) would not really square with my experience in watching the team. I dunno. It's not too crazy. A bad team gives up a ton of attempts against, and doesn't generate much offense. A dull team gives up very little against, but doesn't generate much offense. A good team generates respectable offense and defense. A fun team generates offense but not much defense. Honestly, I would rename "fun" as "scary". But it's rare for a team to creep too far into the fun square, so I guess you can call it fun if you have a team that is high scoring but a little loose defensively. The Sabres are on the line between dull and bad because of how bad their offense is. Their defense is basically the deciding factor. They could tumble into bad soon, or they could start generating more offense and drag themselves closer to the absolute middle of the chart (where the most average teams are). It's better to be dull or good than bad or fun. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 Ullmark in net Skinner Game Time Decision Demko in net for Canucks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 Just now, Brawndo said: Ullmark in net Skinner Game Time Decision Housley you son of a bitch! I didn't think you'd actually do it! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakeSabresGrr8Again Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 7 minutes ago, darksabre said: It's not too crazy. A bad team gives up a ton of attempts against, and doesn't generate much offense. A dull team gives up very little against, but doesn't generate much offense. A good team generates respectable offense and defense. A fun team generates offense but not much defense. Honestly, I would rename "fun" as "scary". But it's rare for a team to creep too far into the fun square, so I guess you can call it fun if you have a team that is high scoring but a little loose defensively. The Sabres are on the line between dull and bad because of how bad their offense is. Their defense is basically the deciding factor. They could tumble into bad soon, or they could start generating more offense and drag themselves closer to the absolute middle of the chart (where the most average teams are). It's better to be dull or good than bad or fun. Does this mean the Laffs are "fun"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 8 minutes ago, Brawndo said: Ullmark in net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted January 18, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 12 minutes ago, Brawndo said: Ullmark in net Skinner Game Time Decision Demko in net for Canucks What's up with Skinny? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 Just now, MakeSabresGrr8Again said: Does this mean the Laffs are "fun"? Right. The Leafs are what I would describe as precarious in the context of playoff success. They shoot a lot but they're a little below average on defense. San Jose is just crazy where they are right now on the chart. They're limiting opponents shots and taking shots like crazy. But they might be a little too far into the good square for their own good compared to a team like Tampa. Tampa is on the same general trend line but is having more success in the win column. It's not exactly directly predictive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 (edited) Thatcher Demko is making his season debut for the Canucks tonight. He only has 1 other NHL start from what I can see. He had a 3.93gaa and a .867sv% in that game. His save percentage was calculated by hand counting the number of saves he made and doing math. I am sorry but I do not know the specific human that counted and if they have 20/20 vision or not. My B y'all. Edited January 18, 2019 by LGR4GM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsb Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 12 minutes ago, New Scotland (NS) said: What's up with Skinny? I think Fat sat on him accidentally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 47 minutes ago, PASabreFan said: Is that what the chart is about? And does this one dude "hand track" every possession-exit and break-up in every game, for every defenseman? Is he good at it? You've asked this before and I've told you the answer. We're not in the 50s, technology has gotten remarkably adept at recording game statistics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 6 minutes ago, WildCard said: You've asked this before and I've told you the answer. We're not in the 50s, technology has gotten remarkably adept at recording game statistics I don't know why you're even bothering. PA is all in on being "old man yells at cloud" about anything related to advanced stats. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 1 hour ago, PASabreFan said: Almost sounds like the charts are somewhere between BS and horsecock. Now, now. They do illuminate. They don't tell the whole story, of course. 29 minutes ago, MakeSabresGrr8Again said: Does this mean the Laffs are "fun"? For sure. And of late they've been trending closer to good. Not sure where it's been discussed, but the TOR faithful have apparently been brutal to Gardiner (sp?). So says Twitter, anyway. 21 minutes ago, darksabre said: It's not exactly directly predictive. Carolina would agree with that. OTOH, someone posted the top-12 (or so) Corsi teams the other day -- all but one (Carolina) was in a playoff position. 2 minutes ago, darksabre said: I don't know why you're even bothering. PA is all in on being "old man yells at cloud" about anything related to advanced stats. It's his shtick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJFIVEOH Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 Playing Ullmark back to back on nights when there aren't back to back games isn't what Housley does. I wonder if he's actually grown some balls, or he thinks his job might be on the line. Noting against Hutton, just like to see it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted January 18, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 You guys are pounding PA pretty hard here. I've pretty much agreed with all that he has to say about the fancy stats and have said as much, but nobody goes after me. Makes me wonder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JJFIVEOH Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 1 minute ago, New Scotland (NS) said: You guys are pounding PA pretty hard here. I've pretty much agreed with all that he has to say about the fancy stats and have said as much, but nobody goes after me. Makes me wonder. Jerk. ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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