nfreeman Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 Well, in his D3 season, Kapanen had 43 pts in 43 games in the AHL. Nylander had 31 pts in 49 AHL games in his D3 season. In Briere's D2 season, he had 92 pts in 68 AHL games. Separately: here's a bit on Nylander from the Athletic, in an article re-doing the 2016 draft: Quote 27. Tampa Bay Lightning: Alex NylanderActual draft pick: No. 8 (change: -19) to BuffaloMy final ranking: No. 8 (change: -19) It’s been a slow build for Nylander but he starting to come into his own. A year ago, I had some viewings of Nylander where he looked like a lost, disengaged, perimeter player. That changed this season on a good Rochester team. Even though his results didn’t catapult to where Sabres fans would probably hope by this point in their eighth overall pick’s career, Nylander is still a legitimate prospect. I like to joke that he’s his brother William, minus the skating ability. I don’t know what that makes you but it should be enough to be a decent middle-six forward who can be a difference-maker on a second powerplay unit. Nylander has an excellent, accurate shot that he needs to find ways to use more and puck skills that allow him to hang onto the puck and delay. Sometimes that latter can work against him because he lacks the aforementioned speed of his brother and better defenders will close that gap but I still think he’s going to figure it out. Nonetheless, I was too high on Nylander (as was the hockey world) during his draft year. Part of that was probably tied to the namesake and his standout draft year showing at the world juniors. Live and learn. 2018-2019 season (AHL): 31 points (12G, 19A), 49 games. ...so he's not giving up on Nylander yet either (although he's not super-optimistic). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 7 minutes ago, dudacek said: Why? He just turned 21. Danny Briere was 24 before he made it. Kasperi Kapanen’s D3 season he played 8 NHL games compared to Nylander’s 12. His D4 season (which you are calling Nylander’s make or break) he had 9 points in 38 NHL games. He turned out alright. There are tons of examples. I agree with you. The Sabres have nothing to lose by allowing Nylander to continue to develop. He's got two years left on his ELC. So that's how much time he has left in this org to make the jump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, WildCard said: He's been a PPG player in the AHL, Nylander hasn't Are you basically saying that if a player isn’t tearing up the AHL by 21 these days he has no future? To be clear, I’m not saying I believe in Alex, just that development isn’t a straight path. Edited June 6, 2019 by dudacek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted June 6, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 Just now, dudacek said: Are you basically saying that if a player isn’t tearing up the AHL by 21 these days he has no future? A number 8 overall pick not showing minimal improvement/hope in 3 AHL season? Yeah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 Just now, WildCard said: A number 8 overall pick not showing minimal improvement/hope in 3 AHL season? Yeah So it’s because he was 8 overall? That’s why Raddysh is great prospect and Nylander is a bust, despite being almost exactly the same age and having nearly identical numbers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted June 6, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 1 minute ago, dudacek said: So it’s because he was 8 overall? That’s why Raddysh is great prospect and Nylander is a bust, despite being almost exactly the same age and having nearly identical numbers? Idk man I'm really not into this argument tbh with you. I think he's going to suck, and don't see any other reason other than hope to say otherwise. I hope you're right and he doesn't, but eh I don't see it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 10 minutes ago, darksabre said: I agree with you. The Sabres have nothing to lose by allowing Nylander to continue to develop. He's got two years left on his ELC. So that's how much time he has left in this org to make the jump. Agree 100%. I had thought for some reason that his contract was up after this coming season. https://www.capfriendly.com/players/alexander-nylander Separately: if he sticks in the NHL and hits his bonuses, he makes $1.7MM. If he stays in the AHL, he makes $70K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 2 hours ago, Getpucksdeep said: "Belief. And Confidence. At the moment there's doubt. We fall to glass-half-empty, the negative. I can feel it in the air and in discussions with fans. We need to turn that." winning 3 games a month and finishing bottom 5 every year tends to do this to fans 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 Having a hard time with the exchange but John Wawrow reporting either deal was done last Friday or that Skinner’s camp gave JBOT a counter offer that he has yet to respond to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabel79 Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 22 minutes ago, WildCard said: Idk man I'm really not into this argument tbh with you. I think he's going to suck, and don't see any other reason other than hope to say otherwise. I hope you're right and he doesn't, but eh I don't see it He’s not responsible for where he got drafted. He’ll make it or he won’t. Hope is all we can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted June 6, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 1 minute ago, Sabel79 said: He’s not responsible for where he got drafted. He’ll make it or he won’t. Hope is all we can do. I mean he kinda is though lol he played well/not well enough to get drafted there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabel79 Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 4 minutes ago, WildCard said: I mean he kinda is though lol he played well/not well enough to get drafted there And someone scouted him well/not well enough to make him that pick. History is replete with revised drafts in hindsight. The kid will either make good or not, but either way, he’s not the bad guy here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 35 minutes ago, WildCard said: Idk man I'm really not into this argument tbh with you. I think he's going to suck, and don't see any other reason other than hope to say otherwise. I hope you're right and he doesn't, but eh I don't see it i don’t think he makes it either ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 51 minutes ago, nfreeman said: Well, in his D3 season, Kapanen had 43 pts in 43 games in the AHL. Nylander had 31 pts in 49 AHL games in his D3 season. In Briere's D2 season, he had 92 pts in 68 AHL games. Separately: here's a bit on Nylander from the Athletic, in an article re-doing the 2016 draft: ...so he's not giving up on Nylander yet either (although he's not super-optimistic). Who did they have the Sabres taking instead in the Athletic piece? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kas23 Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 54 minutes ago, nfreeman said: Well, in his D3 season, Kapanen had 43 pts in 43 games in the AHL. Nylander had 31 pts in 49 AHL games in his D3 season. In Briere's D2 season, he had 92 pts in 68 AHL games. Separately: here's a bit on Nylander from the Athletic, in an article re-doing the 2016 draft: ...so he's not giving up on Nylander yet either (although he's not super-optimistic). Who did we pick in their re-draft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted June 6, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 11 minutes ago, Sabel79 said: And someone scouted him well/not well enough to make him that pick. History is replete with revised drafts in hindsight. The kid will either make good or not, but either way, he’s not the bad guy here. I don't recall saying he's the bad guy. I mean he can go ***** himself for sucking though 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 4 minutes ago, Eleven said: Who did they have the Sabres taking instead in the Athletic piece? 2 minutes ago, kas23 said: Who did we pick in their re-draft? Sergachev. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 (edited) 55 minutes ago, tom webster said: Having a hard time with the exchange but John Wawrow reporting either deal was done last Friday or that Skinner’s camp gave JBOT a counter offer that he has yet to respond to. The Last Friday Comment was in regards to White’s Source saying it was probably going to be announced in the next 24-48 Hours last week. If the second part is true, that’s more beneficial as the Sabres get to make the final decision. Wawrow just tweeted that two sources confirm that the deal is not done. Edited June 6, 2019 by Brawndo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 (edited) I don't think its bad to have this kind of prospect in the wings, we can't have all our 1st rounders in the NHL at age 18/19. I keep looking at TBL core and see most made the jump at 23. Edited June 6, 2019 by Huckleberry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#freejame Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 4 minutes ago, Huckleberry said: I don't think its bad to have this kind of prospect in the wings, we can have all our 1st rounders in the NHL at age 18/19. I keep looking at TBL core and see most made the jump at 23. Not surprising when you consider Yzerman was the GM. That sounds pretty similar to the old Detroit model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Brawndo said: The Last Friday Comment was in regards to White’s Source saying it was probably going to be announced in the next 24-48 Hours last week. If the second part is true, that’s more beneficial as the Sabres get to make the final decision. Wawrow just tweeted that two sources confirm that the deal is not done. Yeah, I was distracted while reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matter2003 Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 5 hours ago, LGR4GM said: I never believe Wawrow because he never seems to get this right. With Bills stuff he is incredibly well connected...not so sure in hockey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 31 minutes ago, matter2003 said: With Bills stuff he is incredibly well connected...not so sure in hockey Actually, I find Wawrow fairly accurate, albeit conservative. Anyway, just drive down the 33, the billboard with the jackpots has one at $53 million, the other at $530 million. That has to mean something, correct? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 4 hours ago, nfreeman said: Sergachev. Ohhhh. Wow. Not sure I like it so much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 7, 2019 Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 Idk if it will be but since I am busy most of today, I feel like today will be the day. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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