Sabel79 Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 Anybody blaming anybody other than G***our for quitting that year wasn't watching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 Start a new thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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kas23 Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 My guess is he’ll try to sign on with another team. If/when he fails to get what he wants, he’ll file his grievance with the Sabres. Really bad precedent if the league allows this back door to test the FA waters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 Unless there's a lot to the story that we haven't heard, it's hard to imagine what his grievance would be. I think any grievance he might have is with his agent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 (edited) If he was just sitting out because he was trying to force the Sabres hand to change his usage or something, that's no grievance. The only valid grievance I can imagine would be a life situation that Berglund tried to get some time away from the team for, and the team did not allow or recognize his request, and that his request would be considered reasonable, such as a medical condition or a family emergency. I tend to think that this Sabres management wouldn't have denied such a request though, considering how they accommodated Okposo during his recovery, how they dealt with Lehner, etc. But if he was just sitting out to catch Sabres attention, that is not a grievance that would stand up. Edited December 21, 2018 by Doohickie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoPre Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 Certainly not happening... but how entertaining it’d be if he signed w/ St. Louis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marions Piazza Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, GoPre said: Certainly not happening... but how entertaining it’d be if he signed w/ St. Louis. more entertaining if Berglund and St Louis orchestrated this together, he comes back at a much reduced rate so they can add more talent and save on his cap. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 17 hours ago, Doohickie said: Everyone was raving about how good the 4th line was as a shutdown line. It's thankless work (which may have been part of Berglund's issue), but he, along with Girgs and Larry, were a big part of the 10-game streak. Their production isn't measured in goals scored; their production is in goals prevented, a much harder metric to assess. Fourth line or checking line? The classification has been bothering me. Traditionally, a fourth line is an "energy line." 4 hours ago, New Scotland (NS) said: This is correct, but so far as I know very few want to remember that he quit on the team in an extremely bizarre and public way. The others I don't care that much about now, but when arguably the best player to ever wear your team's sweater and arguably the greatest ever to play a position quits on your team it should be remembered. As far as I know, Weave and myself are the only ones here on a regular basis who have ever voiced a word against Sir Dom. Oh, I have. There were vicious debates back in the day about Dom cracking under pressure in big games. The Kasparaitis goal was curious, let's leave it at that. The sprint off the ice didn't help the optics. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, PASabreFan said: Fourth line or checking line? The classification has been bothering me. Traditionally, a fourth line is an "energy line." I've been calling it a "shutdown line." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 6 minutes ago, Eleven said: I've been calling it a "shutdown line." This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 2 hours ago, That Aud Smell said: I’ll admit to being leas than clear on the view that Hasek stopped trying, or engaged in some sort of sabotage (?), toward the end of his Sabres career. It’s not for this thread, anyway. Agreed. 1 hour ago, Taro T said: Hasek messing up on the Kasparaitis goal in OT was NOT quitting on the team. Had Gilmour not quit on the team prior to that, he never would've had to make that save. The regulation goal he gave up to Lehtinen in game 6 backin '99 was far worse. Did he quit on them in that game as well? And if the Criminals hadn't botched the Peca saga, there's not a reason to even consider that Hasek had quit on them. (And people hated on Dom ever since Dickerson blamed him for Nolan's initial departure.) Nope. 1 hour ago, That Aud Smell said: Good Christ. *That’s* what this is about? C’mon. Nope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustache of God Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 Berglund won't be filing a grievance, he doesn't want to be here. I'm basing this assumption off of the Lehner story, about how involved and accommodating JBOTs was during that entire process. If Berglund had personal issues that needed his attention, Botteril would have worked with him. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 Yeah, that's pretty much where I am. It would be hard to imagine that Bergie brought an issue to JBots and JBots didn't react in good faith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In The Buff Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 41 minutes ago, PASabreFan said: Oh, I have. There were vicious debates back in the day about Dom cracking under pressure in big games. The Kasparaitis goal was curious, let's leave it at that. The sprint off the ice didn't help the optics. Sorry but I couldn't leave it at that. Dom never liked to lose. He absolutely hated it as most should remember. I remember seeing him sprint away after other tough losses as well, & he's not alone in that either. I think its safer to say he did so from being mad at the loss & or himself, than saying he'd sprint off from deliberately letting the other team score lol. I mean it was game 7 in overtime. It seemed like he played the angle wrong from sitting deeper in the net due to the oncoming rush & Kasparaitis shot just beat him. If that happened to me I wouldnt want to stand around watching the Pens celebrate. I'd get away from there as fast as possible too. Fans who claim anything different always rubbed me the wrong way on this. Its like ur thinking way too much into it. But i digress. I hope Berglund is alright but as for our Sabres this is the best that could happen to a bad situation. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 Hey @Brawndo, this thread is seriously off the tracks.... maybe time to lock it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woods-racer Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 Please don't lock it. It's not that bad. Things will happen over the coming days and weeks to update this thread. It's worth leaving open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 16 minutes ago, Doohickie said: Hey @Brawndo, this thread is seriously off the tracks.... maybe time to lock it. No, it's time for those who are having a spin-off discussion to start their own thread. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, woods-racer said: Please don't lock it. It's not that bad. Well we have differing opinions on that. If I could change one single thing about the way this forum is run, it's that when a secondary discussion works its way into a thread, I wish a mod would start a new thread and copy all the posts on the secondary subject into it. That could be done out of the megathreads as well- occasionally a subject comes up that deserves its own thread and could be broken out as such. I post on another forum where the do just that: They have a megathread called "Random Thoughts Derserving no Thread of Their Own" where people post whatever comes up, and occasionally there are several posts that follow on to each other and a mod breaks it into its own thread. In fact, if the powers that be give me the authority to split threads about like that, I'd volunteer to do the job (on a trial basis anyway, to see if it's worth it to everyone else). Edited December 21, 2018 by Doohickie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Doohickie said: Well we have differing opinions on that. If I could change one single thing about the way this forum is run, it's that when a secondary discussion works its way into a thread, I wish a mod would start a new thread and copy all the posts on the secondary subject into it. That could be done out of the megathreads as well- occasionally a subject comes up that deserves its own thread and could be broken out as such. I post on another forum where the do just that: They have a megathread called "Random Thoughts Derserving no Thread of Their Own" where people post whatever comes up, and occasionally there are several posts that follow on to each other and a mod breaks it into its own thread. Or you could take the last 10 posts and just start a new thread and put them there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 1 minute ago, LGR4GM said: Or you could take the last 10 posts and just start a new thread and put them there. I'm not going to do that unless I can delete them out of this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 Great post. Do not lock!! I am still so stinkin' curious to know what happened with Berglund. And what may still happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 (edited) The bit of a sidetrack discussion was the direct result of someone posting something about most disliked Sabre and putting Bergy on that list, so I do not see how anything relatd to that is off-topic. Just my 2.5 cents Canadian, which would be approximately 2 cents US. Bergy would not be on my list. +++++ For the record, I do not think the thread should be locked, or cleaned up. Mods have been around, so I think they would have cleaned it up by now, if they thought it warranted, IMO. Does anyone know where Bergy is? I hope he is hanging in there, as they say. Edited December 21, 2018 by New Scotland (NS) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drnkirishone Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 Lock it up lock it up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 These comments from Oshie are interesting. "I respect him a lot for him kind of taking control here and getting done what he needs to get done." Hm. Hmmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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