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He also wanted out of Carolina because they didn't want to use them on their top lines because he wasn't responsible defensively.  (I don't see that he's not defensive enough myself, but that's what was said on the Carolina forum.)  He's getting that opportunity in Buffalo.

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On 11/3/2018 at 12:34 AM, Broken Ankles said:

Pommers is going to be 36 very shortly.  He struggled immensely last year in the spring.   You don’t somehow get better with age, unless your trainer works at BALCO.  Cap space allows the GM a top six forward from outside.  Plus opportunities for Nylander, CJ or Olofsson.  Not enough room at the Inn.  Less than 10%

Berglund and Sobotka are under contract for 3 and 1 more respectively.  Makes Larsson and Griggs expendable.   Less than 20% each.

Like your thought on Scandella.  I think he or McCabe are moved in offseason.  

Dont sleep on Bogo.   I agree on the percentage, but money is a great motivating factor.  If he continues his leadship role I can see them keeping him with Pilut or Guhle to mentor.  Maybe a two year with a small haircut to 4.5 m AAV.

The guys coming up, like Olofsson and Nylander are top 6 players, top 9 at worst. Larsson and Girgensons are making a very effective 4th line and PKers.  They are also RFA’s who have zero leverage and should be cheap to retain.  They earn 1.45 and 1.6 respectively.  Don’t expect much of a raise if any.  With no one cheaper in the organization to step into their shoes, I expect one if not both to be retained for at least one more year.  I thought Larsson would be gone before the season started, but Larry has more lives then a cat and seems to finally found his role on this team.

On 11/4/2018 at 10:13 AM, Doohickie said:

He also wanted out of Carolina because they didn't want to use them on their top lines because he wasn't responsible defensively.  (I don't see that he's not defensive enough myself, but that's what was said on the Carolina forum.)  He's getting that opportunity in Buffalo.

If Skinner had to right down the perfect scenario for his prime, I can’t think he’s come up with one better then what he has found in Buffalo.

1) Elite center to play with - check

2) Close to home - check

3) Hockey town - check

4) up and coming team - check

5) cap space to pay him - check

6) no superstar prospect to take his role - check (Nylander is the closest and he is not exactly destroying the AHL.

7) coaching system that suits his game - check

If someone could show me a better situation I’d like to see it. The only issues really are does Jbot want him long term (I assume he does; otherwise why trade for him) and the size and term of the contract. My guess is that if continues to play as he has, his people and Jbot will have a deal worked out by the trade deadline.

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On 11/3/2018 at 7:40 PM, Doohickie said:

If he's not signed by the deadline that will certainly happen.  Let's see if Bots can get'r done before then.

Yes, the money is important, but when you listen to Skinner, he wanted out of Carolina because he wasn't being used to his potential.  He's got that here, and this team is going places.  Do you take $8M a season and go to a team going nowhere, or take a little less to stay with a team that appreciates you and is on the rise?  We'll see.

I'd rather keep him through the deadline and accept the risk that comes with that, than trade him at the deadline for a package identical or similar to the one we gave up to get him.

I want these guys to finish strong down the stretch regardless, keeping him past it buys extra negotiating time, and opens up the possibility of an 8-year extension. 

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Assuming Skinner is re-signed, and with no other trades / FA acquisitions (which we know will happen).  And assumes UFA's other than Skinner & Ullmark aren't re-signed.

To start the year:

Skinner - Eichel - Olofsson

Sheary - Mittelstadt - Okposo

Nylander - Rodrigues - Reinhart

Girgensons - Larsson - Berglund

The order of 2-4 doesn't really matter as they'll have comparable ice time.  Players worthy of a look: Smith, Thompson, Asplund, Sobotka, Wilson.  Very outside chance Elie gets re-signed too.

McCabe - Ristolainen

Pilut - Dahlin

Scandella - Bogosian

With Guhle & Nelson in the mix and Hunwick still available (for better or worse).  Beaulieu probably re-signed as well.

Hutton & Ullmark

Considering, Botterill will likely bring in 2-4 other players he sees as an upgrade, next year looks pretty decent.

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2 hours ago, Thorny said:

I'd rather keep him through the deadline and accept the risk that comes with that, than trade him at the deadline for a package identical or similar to the one we gave up to get him.

I want these guys to finish strong down the stretch regardless, keeping him past it buys extra negotiating time, and opens up the possibility of an 8-year extension. 

 

Yup.  A strong finish to the season is going to be more valuable to this team than a prospect that will never amount to anything and a couple low end lottery tickets.

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2 hours ago, Weave said:

 

Yup.  A strong finish to the season is going to be more valuable to this team than a prospect that will never amount to anything and a couple low end lottery tickets.

Mike Schopp just rolled over in his, um, fantasy football masterbatorium.

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Some have mentioned what we can afford for next year and beyond.  

Where do we stand for next season?

We have 9 forwards, 6 D and Hutton signed for next year.

The forwards are Eichel, Okposo, Berglund, Reinhart, Thompson, Mittelstadt, Sheary, Sobotka and Wilson, but only the 1st 3 are signed beyond next season. Cost 32.9 (The guys on multi year deals cost 19.85)

The 6 D are Risto, Dahlin, Hunwick, Nelson, Bogo and Scandella.  Cost 18.5 (only Risto and Dahlin signed beyond next year )

Hutton (G) Cost: 2.75 (2 years left)

Total Cost plus CoHo’s dead money - 54.95. That leaves about 25 mill for 6-7 players.

Key RFAs: Ullmark, McCabe

Possbile RFAs to keep: Larsson, ERod, Girgensons and maybe Elie

RFA’s unlikely to be kept: Baloo

Key UFA: Skinner

Other UFAs of interest: Pominville 

UFA to never be seen again: Moulson

Key prospects

Olofsson - 767.5K

Nylander - 2 years left at 863.3K

Pilut - 925K

Guhle - 697.5K

I think Skinner gets 8 x 8, McCabe gets 4 for 5 years and Ullmark 2yrs at 2 per season.  This brings us to 10 forwards, 7 D and 2 G at 69 Million.  Add Erod, Larry, and the 2 forward prospects and you’ll have a team for next year for about 74/75 million.  Obviously this isn’t exactly how this will play out.  I think Scandella gets traded to make room for Pilut, saving us 3 mill.  

2019-20 obviously won’t be a cap problem.  2020-21 on the other hand will be interesting with Sheary, Reinhart, Mittelstadt and Thompson to re-sign and Dahlin the following year.

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Does/will the play of Thompson & Pilut make Sheary & Scandella expendable next year?  If they are, what could those 2 bring back in return?

Would that return be tempered by the impending Seattle draft the next season?  (The Vegas draft seemed to dampen enthusiasm for trades not involving Vegas leading up to it.)

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11 minutes ago, Taro T said:

Does/will the play of Thompson & Pilut make Sheary & Scandella expendable next year?  If they are, what could those 2 bring back in return?

Would that return be tempered by the impending Seattle draft the next season?  (The Vegas draft seemed to dampen enthusiasm for trades not involving Vegas leading up to it.)

I don't think the play of either, especially the 1 game for Pilut, make either expendable next year.

I think that every GM is thinking long and hard about the Seattle draft situation already.  I think that it is possible that both Sheary and Scandella could be exposed (if possible ?), or traded, to Seattle to protect someone else.

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The problem is if they can't sign him and they're in a playoff position.   

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32 minutes ago, pi2000 said:

The problem is if they can't sign him and they're in a playoff position.   

He being Skinner?

It's possible he won't be re-signed but I expect that is very unlikely.  Skinner has to know there aren't many (any?) other situations that will be as good of a fit for him.  Botterill will offer him a fair deal.

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1 hour ago, New Scotland (NS) said:

I don't think the play of either, especially the 1 game for Pilut, make either expendable next year.

I think that every GM is thinking long and hard about the Seattle draft situation already.  I think that it is possible that both Sheary and Scandella could be exposed (if possible ?), or traded, to Seattle to protect someone else.

To your 1st point, that's why I added the /will to the question.  Neither player has demonstrated they definitively are answers at 2LW nor 2nd pairing yet.  Though both have flashed signs they could be.

To the 2nd point, either seems like a high price to have available for Seattle (especially because they'd have to be re-signed prior to that draft) but that thought has to be in Botterill's deliberations, especially if he wants to guarantee the goaltending platoon stays intact.

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I think Scandella is expendable right now.

On 11/25/2018 at 11:38 AM, GASabresIUFAN said:

Some have mentioned what we can afford for next year and beyond.  

Where do we stand for next season?

We have 9 forwards, 6 D and Hutton signed for next year.

The forwards are Eichel, Okposo, Berglund, Reinhart, Thompson, Mittelstadt, Sheary, Sobotka and Wilson, but only the 1st 3 are signed beyond next season. Cost 32.9 (The guys on multi year deals cost 19.85)

The 6 D are Risto, Dahlin, Hunwick, Nelson, Bogo and Scandella.  Cost 18.5 (only Risto and Dahlin signed beyond next year )

Hutton (G) Cost: 2.75 (2 years left)

Total Cost plus CoHo’s dead money - 54.95. That leaves about 25 mill for 6-7 players.

Key RFAs: Ullmark, McCabe

Possbile RFAs to keep: Larsson, ERod, Girgensons and maybe Elie

RFA’s unlikely to be kept: Baloo

Key UFA: Skinner

Other UFAs of interest: Pominville 

UFA to never be seen again: Moulson

Key prospects

Olofsson - 767.5K

Nylander - 2 years left at 863.3K

Pilut - 925K

Guhle - 697.5K

I think Skinner gets 8 x 8, McCabe gets 4 for 5 years and Ullmark 2yrs at 2 per season.  This brings us to 10 forwards, 7 D and 2 G at 69 Million.  Add Erod, Larry, and the 2 forward prospects and you’ll have a team for next year for about 74/75 million.  Obviously this isn’t exactly how this will play out.  I think Scandella gets traded to make room for Pilut, saving us 3 mill.  

2019-20 obviously won’t be a cap problem.  2020-21 on the other hand will be interesting with Sheary, Reinhart, Mittelstadt and Thompson to re-sign and Dahlin the following year.

How does Patrick Kane fit into this scenario?

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10 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said:

 

How does Patrick Kane fit into this scenario?

Hopefully he doesn't. 

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14 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said:

I think Scandella is expendable right now.

How does Patrick Kane fit into this scenario?

Visiting for the holidays and fighting with taxi cab drivers??

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in theory I agree but the Sabres definitely need to add some more goal scoring

Would you consider the Sheary, Mittlestadt, Okposo a 2nd or 3rd line?

The other two lines are basically decent 4th lines.

Not sure where we add 3 more forwards? (2 if you consider Thompson good enough). Who do we see being a top 9 forward out of the existing prospects? Nylander? not sure of anyone anyone else.  Not too long ago, I thought Center was position of strength for the organization. Now I don't see it at all. Who is the long term 3rd center on this team?

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30 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said:

in theory I agree but the Sabres definitely need to add some more goal scoring

Would you consider the Sheary, Mittlestadt, Okposo a 2nd or 3rd line?

The other two lines are basically decent 4th lines.

Not sure where we add 3 more forwards? (2 if you consider Thompson good enough). Who do we see being a top 9 forward out of the existing prospects? Nylander? not sure of anyone anyone else.  Not too long ago, I thought Center was position of strength for the organization. Now I don't see it at all. Who is the long term 3rd center on this team?

Asplund or Davidsson would be probably who they are aiming for as the 3rd line center with Mittelstadt slotting into the 2nd line role. 

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2 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Asplund or Davidsson would be probably who they are aiming for as the 3rd line center with Mittelstadt slotting into the 2nd line role. 

think Samson could eventually move back to Center or is that experiment over?

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19 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said:

think Samson could eventually move back to Center or is that experiment over?

Over.

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On 11/25/2018 at 11:38 AM, GASabresIUFAN said:

Some have mentioned what we can afford for next year and beyond.  

Where do we stand for next season?

We have 9 forwards, 6 D and Hutton signed for next year.

The forwards are Eichel, Okposo, Berglund, Reinhart, Thompson, Mittelstadt, Sheary, Sobotka and Wilson, but only the 1st 3 are signed beyond next season. Cost 32.9 (The guys on multi year deals cost 19.85)

The 6 D are Risto, Dahlin, Hunwick, Nelson, Bogo and Scandella.  Cost 18.5 (only Risto and Dahlin signed beyond next year )

Hutton (G) Cost: 2.75 (2 years left)

Total Cost plus CoHo’s dead money - 54.95. That leaves about 25 mill for 6-7 players.

Key RFAs: Ullmark, McCabe

Possbile RFAs to keep: Larsson, ERod, Girgensons and maybe Elie

RFA’s unlikely to be kept: Baloo

Key UFA: Skinner

Other UFAs of interest: Pominville 

UFA to never be seen again: Moulson

Key prospects

Olofsson - 767.5K

Nylander - 2 years left at 863.3K

Pilut - 925K

Guhle - 697.5K

I think Skinner gets 8 x 8, McCabe gets 4 for 5 years and Ullmark 2yrs at 2 per season.  This brings us to 10 forwards, 7 D and 2 G at 69 Million.  Add Erod, Larry, and the 2 forward prospects and you’ll have a team for next year for about 74/75 million.  Obviously this isn’t exactly how this will play out.  I think Scandella gets traded to make room for Pilut, saving us 3 mill.  

2019-20 obviously won’t be a cap problem.  2020-21 on the other hand will be interesting with Sheary, Reinhart, Mittelstadt and Thompson to re-sign and Dahlin the following year.

Somewhere are numbers are different.

For next season Ive got 14F , 7D and 2G coming in at $71M - way under the cap  

Fowards - Eichel, Okposo, Skinner, Bergland, Reinhart, Sobotka, Sheary, Girgensons, Larsson, Thompson, Mitts, Erod, Nylander, Smith)  I used your numbers for Skinner and McCabe, gave Larry, Erod., Ullmark and Girgs slight raises.

D - Risto, Bogo, Pilut, Dahlin, Nelson, McCabe, Scandella

I think they can add 1 more high priced forward to the team. I would love to see Scandella traded later this season to clear out his $4mill.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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A) don’t sleep on Malone

B) if they want to compete with Toronto Casey has to make a quantum leap or needs to be third center.

C) you all may laugh but Patrick Kane 2020 wouldn’t shock me.

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Not enough offence from Malone - 4th line player. 

Asplund could be a 3C but Casey needs to put up some points to fill in the 2C. 

Im seriosly considering  Patrick Kane 2019 (if CHI takes 2 mill or so from his salary).

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19 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said:

Somewhere are numbers are different.

For next season Ive got 14F , 7D and 2G coming in at $71M - way under the cap  

Fowards - Eichel, Okposo, Skinner, Bergland, Reinhart, Sobotka, Sheary, Girgensons, Larsson, Thompson, Mitts, Erod, Nylander, Smith)  I used your numbers for Skinner and McCabe, gave Larry, Erod., Ullmark and Girgs slight raises.

D - Risto, Bogo, Pilut, Dahlin, Nelson, McCabe, Scandella

I think they can add 1 more high priced forward to the team. I would love to see Scandella traded later this season to clear out his $4mill.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You forgot Hunwick and his 2.25 and Wilson and his 1.05.

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40 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

You forgot Hunwick and his 2.25 and Wilson and his 1.05.

you are correct. Still should leave the Sabres with at least $8mill available.  $12 if we can find another home for Scandella.

 

 

 

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On 12/5/2018 at 11:07 AM, Crusader1969 said:

think Samson could eventually move back to Center or is that experiment over?

I think there is one more chance for Sam to slide back to Center.   Phil is growing weary of Casey and his bad play.   He basically called him out on WGR when asked why he did not see any OT minutes.   And he was being polite, as his last four games against high caliber teams has resulted in horrible play.  Sheary and Tage need someone to distribute the puck, and Sam is second only to Jack in that department.   Compare our second line center to that of Toronto, Boston, Tampa, Washington or NYI and we have second class citizen status.   If there is a late December call up at wing, maybe Nylander gets a chance on the right of Jack and does well, I can see Sam taking on this role again.  

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