Hank Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 I have not watched any of the proceedings over the last couple days so please excuse my ignorance. I ask this question with genuine curiosity so please don't read anything into it. Have there been any surprises so far? Also, if someone would be kind enough, what does the "53-47" upthread mean? Not looking to debate anyone on either side of the aisle. Thanks in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 44 minutes ago, Hank said: I have not watched any of the proceedings over the last couple days so please excuse my ignorance. I ask this question with genuine curiosity so please don't read anything into it. Have there been any surprises so far? Also, if someone would be kind enough, what does the "53-47" upthread mean? Not looking to debate anyone on either side of the aisle. Thanks in advance. No surprises as far as I have heard. Going down exactly as one would expect in this environment. 53-47 refers to 53 Republican Senators and 47 Democrats. In other words, party line votes all the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 2 hours ago, Weave said: No surprises as far as I have heard. Going down exactly as one would expect in this environment. 53-47 refers to 53 Republican Senators and 47 Democrats. In other words, party line votes all the way. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted January 23, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 The only surprise I guess for me is that the Democrats have actually presented their case in a logical and coherent way. I wasn't sure they had it in them. Trump's lawyers largely arguing nonsense while they openly lie about things with no repercussions is basically just more of the same from Trump. Watching Democracy die in real time is surreal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 2 hours ago, LGR4GM said: The only surprise I guess for me is that the Democrats have actually presented their case in a logical and coherent way. I wasn't sure they had it in them. Trump's lawyers largely arguing nonsense while they openly lie about things with no repercussions is basically just more of the same from Trump. Watching Democracy die in real time is surreal. Sounds like the Dems are taking the high road during these proceedings? Good for them. I really hope they nominate someone I can get behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted January 23, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Hank said: Sounds like the Dems are taking the high road during these proceedings? Good for them. I really hope they nominate someone I can get behind. I think at this point it comes down to Bernie, Warren, and Biden. Not sure if you like any of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 6 hours ago, LGR4GM said: I think at this point it comes down to Bernie, Warren, and Biden. Not sure if you like any of them. Ugh..... Oldest candidate list ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 6 hours ago, LGR4GM said: I think at this point it comes down to Bernie, Warren, and Biden. Not sure if you like any of them. 4 minutes ago, Weave said: Ugh..... Oldest candidate list ever. No kidding! The 79, 71, or 78 year old “newcomer” vs the 74 year old incumbent. Jeez How about someone the yutes can relate to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Curt said: No kidding! The 79, 71, or 78 year old “newcomer” vs the 74 year old incumbent. Jeez How about someone the yutes can relate to? I'd settle for someone that the middle agers can relate to. FFS I'm 10 years away from Social Security eligibility and still haven't seen a serious Presidential candidate from my generation. Those old fecks that have been bleeding the world dry for their sole benefit for the last 40 years need to retire and let the world evolve. Edited January 24, 2020 by Weave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted January 24, 2020 Report Share Posted January 24, 2020 8 hours ago, LGR4GM said: I think at this point it comes down to Bernie, Warren, and Biden. Not sure if you like any of them. I'm not sure any of them could win. Biden would be hurt by the perception of shenanigans involving his son. Warren would have to endure non-stop hate speach in the pocohontus vain. Bernie is seen by many as a far left whackadoodle. I could maybe get behind Biden, possibly Warren. I'm really hoping somebody younger can separate themselves similar to how Obama did before his first term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted January 24, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2020 The Boomer generation does need to leave power to the younger generations. 13 hours ago, Weave said: Ugh..... Oldest candidate list ever. Yup. It's brutal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted January 24, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2020 This is from the video. GOP Senators were warned that if, "Vote against the president (Trump), and your head will be on a pike." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTS Posted January 24, 2020 Report Share Posted January 24, 2020 On 1/21/2020 at 10:04 PM, Ogre said: NE was always a joke to everyone I knew and then Facebook came into being and all those same people lost their minds over silly ***** just like their parents did with the NE... In your circles I can believe it.. you might unconsciously distance yourself from the kind of person that would believe the NE.. but people did. (I also was not around people like that). The only.. ONLY way this falls apart for the Republicans is if the constituents in the states of the Republican senators begin to show signs of not supporting their Senator for re-election in 2020... otherwise it's party line all day long... despite the obviousness of what has happened. In the end it's not even about whether or not Trump did something wrong and broke the law. The GAO has already basically said he did. It's a question of whether any of the 53 Republican Senators will actually vote to the law as opposed to the party line. Sad does not even begin to describe our political state at the moment... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogre Posted January 24, 2020 Report Share Posted January 24, 2020 8 hours ago, LTS said: In your circles I can believe it.. you might unconsciously distance yourself from the kind of person that would believe the NE.. but people did. (I also was not around people like that). The only.. ONLY way this falls apart for the Republicans is if the constituents in the states of the Republican senators begin to show signs of not supporting their Senator for re-election in 2020... otherwise it's party line all day long... despite the obviousness of what has happened. In the end it's not even about whether or not Trump did something wrong and broke the law. The GAO has already basically said he did. It's a question of whether any of the 53 Republican Senators will actually vote to the law as opposed to the party line. Sad does not even begin to describe our political state at the moment... I’ll use my wife and her sisters as an example. All educated women and would scoff at any NE article but all three of them thought back in 2015 when the election was close that Trump was a self made man, dragging himself up out of poverty because that story was all over FB. I nearly choked on my beer when I heard this. My fil and I were quick to educate them. I don’t do FB so I don’t know first hand what’s in there but that was sort of scary for me. I can get enough goofy ideas all by myself, I don’t need to be egged on by FB... Youre also spot on about the voting public being the only check on Trump at this point. The GOP is the now the Trump party. I know a lot of Republicans in my area that are abandoning those leaders still supporting Trump. That would be an encouraging sign if that were happening all over but I don’t think it is. I’m afraid that there is old, deep rooted hatred that will give them the votes they need to keep their office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drnkirishone Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 It is apart of Republican political doctrine to support party leaders without question in public. It is why they control the message so well. The voting public is no check on trump delusionalism due to the first two parts. I think we have a fair chance to get into a scary situation with the coming election. Fresh off being impeached and not removed, the orange man gets re-elected and the House and Senate both become slight Democrat majorities. With a normal president it might be 4 years of do nothing politics. But with our super smart stable genius in charge I will be scared to see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted January 25, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 11 hours ago, drnkirishone said: It is apart of Republican political doctrine to support party leaders without question in public. It is why they control the message so well. The voting public is no check on trump delusionalism due to the first two parts. I think we have a fair chance to get into a scary situation with the coming election. Fresh off being impeached and not removed, the orange man gets re-elected and the House and Senate both become slight Democrat majorities. With a normal president it might be 4 years of do nothing politics. But with our super smart stable genius in charge I will be scared to see what happens. He'll bring in advisors loyal to him and he'll attempt to arrest Congress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted January 26, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2020 Judging by his tweets this morning, I'd expect trump if he wins to use his DOJ to start investigations into and arrest key opposition in Congress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drnkirishone Posted January 26, 2020 Report Share Posted January 26, 2020 Honestly, I would be surprised if he isn't already having the DOJ investigating thous that challenge him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frieda Posted January 26, 2020 Report Share Posted January 26, 2020 He doesn't need to investigate. He'll just make up ***** and his lemmings will follow along lapping it up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted January 29, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2020 I'd expect the Senate to vote to block calling witnesses either today or tomorrow. I have lost all respect for the Senate. It's a bunch of yes men licking the presidents ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted January 29, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2020 They can't answer the question because there is no answer. Trump didn't care about corruption in Ukraine, he cared about Biden. Also Trump is a giant hypocrite because his children are running around his administration making millions and yet he is focused on Hunter freaking Biden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted January 30, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 I mean, holy *****. "And if a president did something that he believes will help him get elected, in the public interest, that cannot be the kind of quid pro quo that results in impeachment," Dershowitz argued. So a president can do anything if they think it is in the public interest for them to be in office. I wonder if this extends to violating the term limits in the constitution. We have reached the end now. Go job nfreeman. I remember still when you closed the political thread and shut down all criticism of the president on this board. Clearly you were one of his early sycophants. So glad that Democracy is one easy acquittal vote away from death. The United States is now a Dictatorial Plutocracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 2 hours ago, LGR4GM said: I mean, holy *****. "And if a president did something that he believes will help him get elected, in the public interest, that cannot be the kind of quid pro quo that results in impeachment," Dershowitz argued. So a president can do anything if they think it is in the public interest for them to be in office. I wonder if this extends to violating the term limits in the constitution. We have reached the end now. Go job nfreeman. I remember still when you closed the political thread and shut down all criticism of the president on this board. Clearly you were one of his early sycophants. So glad that Democracy is one easy acquittal vote away from death. The United States is now a Dictatorial Plutocracy. I think you are misinterpreting the stated argument here. I believe his meaning was - If the president does something because it is in the public interest, but that thing also, just by coincidence, happens to help get him re-elected, that is not an impeachable offense. The meaning of that statement is NOT to say that the president can do things purely to help himself politically, if he thinks it’s in the country’s best interest that he is re-elected. Its still kind of a stupid argument in my opinion. They have totally switched from saying “This never happened”, to now saying “Well, it did happen, but it was actually a good thing.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted January 31, 2020 Report Share Posted January 31, 2020 So, the Senate impeachment hearings look like they are going to be wrapping up soon. Trump’s lawyers and Senate Republicans agree that there is no need to hear from witnesses because they already have enough proof that he is guilty of the things he is accused of. However, that’s not going to be enough to have him removed from office, of course. So the legacy of these impeachment proceedings will be a dark smudge on Trump’s reputation and display of the ineffectiveness of the legislative branch in checking the power of the executive branch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drnkirishone Posted February 1, 2020 Report Share Posted February 1, 2020 I would like to say I am surprised. But it would be a bold faced lie. However that is the era we live in so... I am so surprised by the outcome that is already decided before the vote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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