JujuFish Posted October 30, 2018 Report Share Posted October 30, 2018 On 10/28/2018 at 11:00 PM, Hank said: Funny. I've never seen you post this regarding the many alt left links. This is not a real term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTS Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 5 hours ago, JujuFish said: This is not a real term. Wait... I mean, I suppose you could substitute antifa or some other extreme left reference but I think the point is clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabel79 Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 1 hour ago, LTS said: Wait... I mean, I suppose you could substitute antifa or some other extreme left reference but I think the point is clear. Again, not a real thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5th line wingnutt Posted October 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 4 hours ago, Sabel79 said: Again, not a real thing. I think antifa is both real and extreme. For me it qualifies as alt left. Alternative left as opposed to welfare state left. And for me antifa is more fascist than the people they oppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 2 hours ago, 5th line wingnutt said: I think antifa is both real and extreme. For me it qualifies as alt left. Alternative left as opposed to welfare state left. And for me antifa is more fascist than the people they oppose. So if this is your view of the left, what may I call the right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTS Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 11 hours ago, Sabel79 said: Again, not a real thing. What do you mean it's not a real thing? There are no extreme left positions? I wholeheartedly disagree with that sentiment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabel79 Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 54 minutes ago, LTS said: What do you mean it's not a real thing? There are no extreme left positions? I wholeheartedly disagree with that sentiment. There are, of course, extreme left positions, and idiots abound everywhere. But to equate the very real threat of the militant extreme right at this moment with anything on the left, yes... even that scariest of dreadlocked drum-circling boogeymen “antifa,” is simply not supported by reality. Not everything needs to be made to balance if the evidence clearly puts almost all of the weight on one side of the scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5th line wingnutt Posted October 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 12 minutes ago, Sabel79 said: There are, of course, extreme left positions, and idiots abound everywhere. But to equate the very real threat of the militant extreme right at this moment with anything on the left, yes... even that scariest of dreadlocked drum-circling boogeymen “antifa,” is simply not supported by reality. Not everything needs to be made to balance if the evidence clearly puts almost all of the weight on one side of the scale. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Congressional_baseball_shooting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 (edited) 26 minutes ago, 5th line wingnutt said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Congressional_baseball_shooting For every one of these, there are 99 or more incidents committed by radical right wingers, and we all know it. Edited October 31, 2018 by Eleven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5th line wingnutt Posted October 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 1 minute ago, Eleven said: For every one of these, there are 99 or more killings by radical right wingers, and we all know it. List them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, 5th line wingnutt said: List them. I'm not going to list them all (because who has the time?!) but besides the three incidents that happened just last week, the following recent events come to mind: Bundy Ranch Malheur Jade Helm The kid who shot up the church in South Carolina The guy who went to the pizza place in DC The gay nightclub in Florida Charlottesville The Planned Parenthood shooting in Colorado The movie theater shooting in Louisiana And that's just off of the top of my head. Also, I changed "killings" to "incidents" while you were replying. Edited October 31, 2018 by Eleven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JujuFish Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 (edited) 17 hours ago, LTS said: Wait... I mean, I suppose you could substitute antifa or some other extreme left reference but I think the point is clear. My point is that alt-right is a self-described term used and invented by the alt-right. It's not some dirty word concocted by liberals to smear a certain viewpoint. If you're talking about Antifa, say it. There's plenty of great points to be made against that movement. Edited October 31, 2018 by JujuFish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, JujuFish said: My point is that alt-right is a self-described term used and invented by the alt-right. It's not some dirty word concocted by liberals to smear a certain viewpoint. If you're talking about Antifa, say it. There's plenty of great points to be made against that movement. There are quite a few differences between the alt-right and Antifa in the US, although both are made up of idiots. First, Antifa has no public voice. There is no Alex Jones, no Steve Bannon, Cliven Bundy, Donald Trump Jr., nothing like that. It's just a loose description of a bunch of anarchists who couldn't possibly follow a leader because they don't believe in one. Second, at least in the US, those who identify with Antifa seem to prefer non-human violence first, and then non-lethal violence second. There's not a list like the one I posted above. It's mostly property damage. Third, it is so, so much more below the surface, and it is considerably less popular. If you went out into any crowd and asked about right-wing extremists, people would know what you're talking about. If you went into any crowd and asked about Antifa, only those who are "in touch"--like people in this discussion--would know. Fourth, Antifa-types never have been in power (they don't believe in it, I guess?), but the alt-right is in power now. The sorts of people who would be popular with Antifa now, were last popular shortly before Woodstock. (Then they decided to have babies, change their minds, move to the suburbs, and f*ck over the rest of the country forever. We call them "boomers.") In parts of Europe and South America, it might be different. But here in the US, Antifa might as well be a circus. Edited November 1, 2018 by Eleven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 7 minutes ago, Eleven said: There are quite a few differences between the alt-right and Antifa in the US, although both are made up of idiots. First, Antifa has no public voice. There is no Alex Jones, no Steve Bannon, Cliven Bundy, Donald Trump Jr., nothing like that. It's just a loose description of a bunch of anarchists who couldn't possibly follow a leader because they don't believe in one. Second, at least in the US, those who identify with Antifa seem to prefer non-human violence first, and then non-lethal violence second. There's not a list like the one I posted above. It's mostly property damage. Third, it is so, so much more below the surface, and it is considerably less popular. If you went out into any crowd and asked about right-wing extremists, people would know what you're talking about. If you went into any crowd and asked about Antifa, only those who are "in touch"--like people in this discussion--would know. Fourth, Antifa-types never have been in power (they don't believe in it, I guess?), but the alt-right is in power now. The sorts of people who would be popular with Antifa now, were last popular shortly before Woodstock. (Then they decided to have babies, change their minds, move to the suburbs, and f*ck over the rest of the country forever. We call them "boomers.") In parts of Europe and South America, it might be different. But here in the US, Antifa might as well be a circus. ??? That boomers part was funny as ***** to me. I LOLed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 Why I do declare, the number of 35 and under people voting is up dramatically over the 2014 midterm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted November 4, 2018 Report Share Posted November 4, 2018 On 10/31/2018 at 2:21 PM, 5th line wingnutt said: List them. Sadly, we can add another to the long list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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