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2 minutes ago, WildCard said:

Good lord man why did you quote that? 😂

Why not double shame the man? Plus he looks like a balding, chubby, Marco Rubio as well.

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5 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

Alex Newhook is someone I am very interested in going forward. I've only seen highlights but he just passes that eye test. 

As always, Victor Sodestrom is a player we should be targeting as well.

Here is Newhook’s Write Up 

13. Alex Newhook: C, Victoria Grizzlies, 5-foot-11

Evaluating draft-eligible players who go the Tier II junior route can present a unique set of challenges in that it’s hard to quantify the context they exist within because of how few truly high-end players have made the choice they did. In the BCHL, for example, success stories have generally been predicated upon a draft year that hovered somewhere around 2.00 points per game. That was true for Kyle Turris, Beau Bennett and Tyson Jost in recent memory. But there’s also another layer built in there. Its premise is simple: The BCHL is getting better every single year, and I’m not sure you can say the same about Canada’s three Tier I junior leagues. Newhook’s BCHL is not the same one Jost played in as recently as three seasons ago. And Newhook’s Grizzlies are definitely not Jost’s Penticton Vees. They’re good (off to a 14-7 start and atop their division). But they’re not 2015-16 Vees-level good (the Vees only lost seven games the entirety of that year, and finished 50-7 on the season). All of that context matters, and forces evaluators into a more skill-based look at Newhook’s game, rather than one that tries to match him side-by-side with his peers.

Newhook’s production is good in that context, even if he hasn’t risen to the heights of his highly rated BCHL predecessors. His 34 points and 1.55 points per game through 22 games leads the league. After a slow start to the season by his standards (four points in his first five games), Newhook has 10 points in his last four games. And it’s not that he does it that it’s impressive, it’s how.

Newhook breaks teams down on the power play with his hesitations:

He burns them on the rush with speed and the ability to recover from bad passes or a slight bobble:

And he toys with them in the shootout:

It’s worth noting, too, that Newhook was a better minor hockey player than his peers on this list (his 2.24 points per game ranks behind only Quinton Byfield, Steven Stamkos and Taylor Hall in the ETA’s recent history). He could have played for the Mooseheads and dominated.

 

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10 minutes ago, Brawndo said:

 

And he is committed to BC next season 

Nothing makes Botterill harder than drafting college kids and Euros after all. Except maybe trading a quarter for 3 nickels and a slug.

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I was looking at the list on the Athletic and 9 of the top 15 players were under 6 feet tall.  This is really becoming a speed and skill game again.  I like the direction the league is headed.

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1 hour ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

I was looking at the list on the Athletic and 9 of the top 15 players were under 6 feet tall.  This is really becoming a speed and skill game again.  I like the direction the league is headed.

Which means a couple big heavy teams will multiple Cups 3-4 years down the road like LA and CHI after the small, speed craze of the mid 2000's. 

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I want Newhook. He's one of the only other forwards from this class who skates in the same realm as Hughes. 

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Also, I am going to toss out Kevin Wall as a later round flyer. He's from Fairport and is currently #1 in the BCHL for PPG. He would be an overager but is still 18. He was a Buffalo Jr Sabre and is committed to Penn State next season. All I have to go on is his stats, couldn't find video.

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Samuel Poulin is an interesting option in the 20's. Not 100% sold on his skating but his shot and work ethic are there. 

Tobias Bjornfot is a RHD that should be around in the 20's and looks pretty good. Will need another 2 years in Sweden and a year in Rochester but he's a good skater by all accounts. 

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Draft Analyst did his first mock draft of 2019. So weird seeing the Sabres picking in the late 20s!

I guess I  have to start cheering on St.Louis to pick up the pace - any of  Newhook, Suzuki and Caufield would be an excellent addition to the team. 

How would you feel about drafting a Goalie with one of the late 1sts?

Round 1 (Picks 1-31)
Draft order based on 11/23/18 standings

Los_Angeles_Kings_Logo_2011.svg_-250x300.png Los Angeles Kings Pos. Team League
1. Jack Hughes C U.S. U18 NTDP
22gp-9g-34a-43pts | 5’10, 167 | 5/14/01
Fast and flashy, Hughes has elite hockey sense and a clear understanding of the game. He is the premier prospect for the draft for his brilliance with the puck at high speeds. There simply aren’t any players in his age group who can do the things Hughes does, and the amount of respect paid to him by opposing coaches is evident in the way they will stack four players along the hashmarks when he enters the zone.
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2. Kaapo Kakko RW TPS Turku Liiga
20gp-4g-9a-13pts | 6’2, 194 | 2/13/01
Things in South Florida haven’t gone the way they were expected to go, but the Panthers get rewarded by having the chance to draft another superior Finnish prospect. Kaako, who is performing quite well as a teenager in a premier European league, is a complete player who will be ready to contribute immediately. His vision is world class and his strong upper body allows him to make plays with opponents draped all over him. Kakko is one of the best teenagers on the planet in creating chances with little room to work with.
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3. Vasili Podkolzin RW SKA-Neva VHL
7gp-1g-0a-1pt | 6’1, 190 | 6/24/01
Vladimir Tarasenko has made the Blues look smart eight years ago for taking a chance on a Russian league prospect in the first round, so drafting this multi-tool menace wouldn’t necessarily set some sort of precedent for them. Podkolzin’s ridiculous skills when combined with his high compete level and physicality earmark him for stardom. He displays leadership qualities and excels in any situation he is place in.
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4. Trevor Zegras C U.S. U18 NTDP
21gp-12g-22a-34pts | 6’0, 167 | 3/20/01
Jack Hughes deservedly draws the most attention from opposing coaches, but Zegras is making them pay for not respecting his acute vision and playmaking abilities. Strong and swift, Zegras after his aforementioned NTDP teammate is the draft’s best pure playmaker. His team does a lot of line shuffling, but the native New Yorker instantly adapts and can turn any player of any type into a scoring threat.
Colorado_Avalanche_logo-300x246.png Colorado Avalanche Pos. Team League
5. Bowen Byram LHD Vancouver WHL
24gp-7g-11a-18pts | 6’1, 194 | 6/13/01
There are several center prospects in this draft who draw similarities to Matt Duchene, who the Av’s sent to Ottawa in return for this pick. But a bonafide stopper on defense with both speed and the ability to feed pucks up ice is a rarity for teenagers, which is why the idea of Byram patrolling Colorado’s blueline could be too tantalizing to pass up. His physicality and on-ice leadership is evident from shift to shift, and he thrives in tight-checking affairs.
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6. Alex Turcotte C U.S. U18 NTDP
3gp-1g-1a-2pts | 5’11, 189 | 2/26/01
Some might say that it’s doubtful GM Ray Shero nabs a center in the first round for the fourth time in five drafts, but neither Pavel Zacha, Mike McLeod or even Nico Hischier possess the out-of-your seat explosiveness and creativity owned by this Wisconsin-bound pivot. Turcotte has battled the injury bug but remains an outstanding prospect with cornerstone upside.
Pittsburgh-Penguins-Logo-Vector-Image-e1 Pittsburgh Penguins Pos. Team League
7. Kirby Dach C Saskatoon WHL
25gp-13g-26a-39pts | 6’4, 199 | 1/21/01
If the Pens do in fact stay this low in the standings, they’ll have plenty of options to choose from to finally grab that high-end forward prospect to build another nucleus around. Dach is a big-bodied playmaker with fantastic vision and passing skills who thrives in tight-quarter situations. He’s a quicker first step away from being a legitimate challenger to Hughes’s grip on the top spot.
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8. Matthew Boldy LW U.S. U18 NTDP
22gp-15g-9a-24pts | 6’2, 187 | 4/5/01
It’s not often you see a teenage winger literally play mistake-free hockey game after game, but Boldy finds a way to solving his own team’s problems while simultaneously presenting the opposition with a bunch of their own. He’s got pro-ready size, off-the-charts hockey sense and can score from just about anywhere. Boldy acts as a set-up man for all four of his mates when he himself is not flanking a playmaker, so this kind of versatility is exactly what you want in a future pro. 
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9. Dylan Cozens C/W Lethbridge WHL
24gp-12g-19a-31pts | 6’3, 181 | 2/9/01
A former WHL scout himself, GM Ken Holland recently has done well in the first round by dipping into Western Canada’s talent pool, so it wouldn’t be a shock to see his Red Wings draft a versatile, in-your-face forward like Cozens. The native of Whitehorse, Yukon plays with a great attitude, and he compliments his power-speed game with a devastating shot.
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10. Peyton Krebs C Kootenay WHL
23gp-6g-21a-27pts | 5’11, 180 | 1/26/01
The Flyers are loaded with prospects, but a season-ending injury to 2016 first rounder German Rubtsov may necessitate using another high pick on a pivot. Krebs plays a similar two-way power game like Rubtsov, and also has excellent vision to create chances off of board battles. Philadelphia has used a first rounder on a WHL stud in three of the last five drafts.
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11. Alex Newhook C Victoria BCHL
28gp-16g-28a-44pts | 5’11, 190 | 1/28/01
Even BoHorvat’s success and the emergence of Elias Pettersson as a top-line center can’t hide the fact that the Canucks as an organization are relatively thin down the middle, so selecting an elite playmaker with ties to British Columbia seems like a pretty good option towards addressing a need. The speedy Newhook is on pace to become the BCHL’s youngest scoring champion since a 17-year-old Scott Gomez did it 23 years ago.
1024px-Logo_Edmonton_Oilers-300x300.png Edmonton Oilers Pos. Team League
12. Victor Soderstrom RHD Brynas SHL
12gp-0g-2a-2pts | 5’11, 180 | 2/26/01
If newly-hired coach Ken Hitchcock has a say in how the Oilers’ draft unfolds, he’ll probably want to add pieces that actually know how to not only distribute the puck, but also defend as well. Soderstrom is a graceful two-way blueliner with speed and outstanding anticipation to break up opposing plays before they materialize into something dangerous.
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13. Ryan Suzuki C Barrie OHL
23gp-8g-24a-32pts | 6’0, 178 | 5/28/01
The Golden Knights traded Nick Suzuki to Montreal in the Max Pacioretty deal, so why not replenish the cupboard with his playmaking younger brother, who plays a similar finesse style but may be a step quicker and own a better shot. And although neither of the Suzukis should be confused with blood-thirsty mashers, Ryan is a shark in the neutral zone that makes opponents pay dearly for their mistakes.
1024px-NewYorkIslandersOld.svg_-300x300. New York Islanders Pos. Team League
14. Anttoni Honka RHD JyP Liiga
15gp-1g-3a-4pts | 5’10, 179 | 10/5/00
There’s a decent amount of puck movers in the Isles’ system, but none can turn harrowing situations into quick counterstrikes as effortlessly as this Finnish defender, who has silky-smooth hands and displays exceptional passing skills from as far back as his own goal line. He’s been up and down playing in Finland’s top league, but his dominance against draft-age peers reveals a player with a tremendous amount of point-producing potential.
1280px-Carolina_Hurricanes-300x187.png Carolina Hurricanes Pos. Team League
15. Pavel Dorofeyev LW Stalnye Lisy MHL
14gp-12g-10a-22pts | 6’1, 167 | 10/26/00
One of the most intelligent dual-threat wingers in his draft class, Dorofeyev is a key cog in Stalnye Lisy’s top line that generates most of their offense at even strength. He may not have the immediate “wow” factor that you see in Andre Svechnikov, but Dorofeyev’s ability to make defenders bounce off of him while barreling towards the net is strikingly similar to the 2018 top prospect. You can count on him to make the proper decisions in open ice or during odd-man rushes.
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16. Raphael Lavoie RW Halifax QMJHL
23gp-13g-12a-25pts | 6’4, 191 | 9/25/00
Lavoie has somehow managed to go under the radar despite backing up his preseason hype with another productive QMJHL season. He’s thick, strong and can move quickly for a big-bodied forward, and Lavoie’s stickhandling proclivity gets him into prime scoring areas rather easily. Once he’s there, he can unload a hard, accurate shot that makes goalies work hard to control rebounds. The Ducks have done well with recent QMJHL picks (Maxime Comtois, Antoine Morand), so they’re likely quite familiar with how dominant a player Lavoie can be.
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17. Cam York LHD U.S. U18 NTDP
21gp-2g-14a-16pts | 5’11, 171 | 1/5/01
For all the quality defense prospects the Rangers have acquired in the last year, not one offers them the kind of elite playmaking, heavy-shooting and fluid skating ability the way York can. He’s a very hard passer from anywhere on the ice, and his read-and-react timing has been impeccable since it was considered a weakness a few months prior.
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18. Cole Caufield RW U.S. U18 NTDP
22gp-18g-7a-25pts | 5’7, 155 | 1/2/01
Forget the fact that he’s listed at 5’7 — this kid is a tough, inside player who can fill the net and battle his tail off for real estate near the goal. Caulfield has proven he can score regardless of the line he plays on or where he starts his shifts. And he’s not just a sniping winger who needs other to do the work, as the Wisconsin-bound forward kills penalties with effectiveness and is a threat to score while down a man. His arsenal of puck skills simply are too rare to ignore, and the Stars need dynamic offensive forwards in their farm system.
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19. Matthew Robertson LHD Edmonton WHL
21gp-3g-12a-15pts | 6’3, 201 | 3/9/01
GM Kevin Cheveldayoff has accumulated nearly a dozen or so quality left-defense prospects, but not one has Robertson’s advanced brain when it comes to puck distribution. Sure, lots of playmakers know how to dish the puck. But it’s Robertson’s instincts in addition to his passing, however, that gives him the legitimate shutdown, top-pairing potential you just don’t see in most of the rearguards in Winnipeg’s system.  
Montreal-Canadiens-e1447168824726-300x211.png Montreal Canadiens Pos. Team League
20. Philip Broberg LHD AIK Allsvenskan
21gp-0g-6a-6pts | 6’3, 199 | 6/25/01
Sometimes, one game (or one tournament) is all you need to identify how special a player can be. And although Broberg this season has had his share of frantic moments and puzzling decisions, his skating and aggressiveness inside the offensive zone should be enough to convince a team to roll the dice and pony up a high draft pick. He’s incredibly active and mobile with or without the puck, and rarely is there a shot opportunity Broberg will turn down. Additionally, he can play physical and deliver big hits, so it’s just a matter of fine-tuning his puck management, as well as his timing in the neutral zone to get him in position to neutralize opposing rushes.
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21. Arthur Kaliyev LW Hamilton OHL
25gp-19g-19a-38pts | 6’1, 190 | 6/26/01
A pure sniper with a shot for the ages (sound familiar, Caps fans?), Kaliyev is following up his 31-goal season with an even better sophomore campaign. The Staten Island-born winger is a high-volume shooter who can knock a goalie off his skates with his Filip Forsberg-esque wrister from the circle. It’s probably time for Washington to pick a forward in the first round, which it hasn’t done since 2013.
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22. Moritz Seider RHD Adler Mannheim DEL
15gp-1g-0a-1pt | 6’4, 183 | 4/6/01
The optics might make one think that the last thing the Flames, with their talent-rich blue line, should draft is a defenseman. But the truth is that of the 19 picks they’ve made since 2016, only three were rearguards, and of those three, only two remain with the organization. Enter Seider, a big, smooth-skating German who has handled a top-four role against adult-age competition with aplomb. If goaltending is going to keep plaguing this franchise, might as well draft two-way defenders who can tilt the ice towards the bad guys.
Colorado_Avalanche_logo-300x246.png Colorado Avalanche Pos. Team League
23. Drew Helleson RHD U.S. U18 NTDP
22gp-4g-5a-9pts | 6’2, 183 | 3/26/01
The NTDP is notorious for allowing it’s highly-skilled forwards initiate breakouts, but Helleson cuts out the middle man by being an exceptional stretch passer that leads to a lot of breakaways and odd-man rushes. He’s also one of the team’s top one-on-one defenders, and he plays a game similar to injured Avalanche prospect Conor Timmins, who like Helleson plays the right side but is dealing with concussion issues.
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24. John Beecher C U.S. U18 NTDP
21gp-3g-10a-13pts | 6’3, 204 | 4/5/01
The word agile is rarely used to describe a 6’3, 200-pound center, but the Michigan-bound Beecher is one of the most nimble power centers to come along in quite some time. He is an excellent stickhandler who scares defenders into backing in as far inward as their own circles, and his sharp directional changes and edges lure opponents away from prime shooting areas. Beecher is a mean, intimidating two-way force who can smother opposing top players while driving his line into the offensive zone for multiple chances
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25. Yegor Spiridonov C Stalnye Lisy MHL
19gp-6g-11a-17pts | 6’3, 192 | 1/22/01
Toronto has pieces just about everywhere, and one thing they don’t mind doing is dipping into the Russian junior leagues for talent. Spiridonov is a three-zone center with goal scoring ability who dominates on draws, is a top penalty killer and can maximize the skills of his wingers. He’s a big reason why his line of first-year eligibles are getting more ice time than your average experienced prospects.
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26. Ryder Donovan W/C Duluth-East HS-MN
0gp-0g-0a-0pts | 6’3, 184 | 10/4/00
A jersey-flapping winger with size and a massive reach, Donovan is a lot like New York Rangers’ center Kevin Hayes in that he can play the role of either a set-up man or a finisher. He’ll be gunning for state this year on a talented Duluth-East squad, and word is this kid is one of the more coachable kids around. Swift-skating forwards with Donovan’s mix of puck skills, team-first attitude and size don’t come around often.
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**27. Spencer Knight G U.S. U18 NTDP
10-2-0 | 2.27 GAA | .924 Sv.% | 6’3, 197 | 4/19/01
Teams seem to favor taking goalies in the 3rd round or later, but Knight is one of the most advanced North American-trained backstops to come around in quite some time. Some feel that he’d be a top-five pick if the league reverted to the old trend of taking netminders that high, so the Sabres can consider this a steal late in the first round. The reduction in equipment size doesn’t seem to impact Knight, who covers his gaps quickly thanks to exceptional anticipation and forcing shooters out of their comfort zones.
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28. Nils Hoglander LW Rogle SHL
20gp-3g-3a-6pts | 5’9, 185 | 12/20/00
The Sabres already have the firepower, so it would behoove them to augment their finesse players with a hard-nosed competitor whose nonstop motor makes short work of bigger defenders in both open ice and in the corners. Hoglander’s effort is infectious, but he also can make quick reaction plays that lead to quality chances for either himself or his linemates. He’s quick, finishes his checks and creates turnovers during a relentless forecheck.
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29. Judd Caulfield RW U.S. U18 NTDP
22gp-6g-15a-21pts | 6’3, 204 | 3/19/01
One of the more underrated forwards available, the NTDP’s other “Caulfield” (no relation to Cole Caulfield) is a mean, physical winger blessed with soft hands, deft vision and the willingness to pay the price against any competition. He’s spent a significant amount of time on the top six, plus he’s an excellent penalty killer and a net-front presence on the power play. Caulfield also is smooth in transition and fools defenders with a variety of tricks, fakes and dangles.
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30. Michal Teply LW Liberec Extraliga
15gp-0g-2a-2pts | 6’3, 187 | 5/27/01
Teply is an all-around power winger who plays an aggressive style that leads to a lot of scoring chances when he’s on the ice. He is a two-way forward with strong hockey sense who uses his size and strength to protect the puck extremely well, and his blistering shot off the curl is something we’re used to seeing from Tampa’s stacked group of forward prospects. He’s one of the better penalty killers in the draft.
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31. Alex Vlasic LHD U.S. U18 NTDP
22gp-3g-8a-11pts | 6’6, 193 | 6/5/01
The Predators are far from thin on the blue line at any level, so there’s a strong chance they go the forward route with their first pick in 2019. Vlasic, however, has pro upside written all over him thanks to his size, physicality, soft hands and booming shot. He’s the perfect player to match up against opposing top lines because his static coverage radius goes beyond the low slot.
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On 11/6/2018 at 4:25 PM, pi2000 said:

Which means a couple big heavy teams will multiple Cups 3-4 years down the road like LA and CHI after the small, speed craze of the mid 2000's. 

Just about the time Tage's nutrition program will bear fruit 😄

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We definitely need goaltending, but I’m not sure about taking a goaltender in the 1st.  However Pitt took Fleury 1st overall and there worked out pretty well.

Our young core is Eichel 21, Sam 22, Thompson, 20, Risto 23, Mittelstadt 19, Dahlin 18, McCabe 24 plus Skinner 26. 2 centers, 3 wingers and 3 D (2LHD and 1 RHD). Maybe add Ullmark 25 to the list.

Most of our top forwards prospects are already in the AHL: Nylander (LW - 20), Olofsson (RW/LW - 23), Smith (LW - 23), and Asplund (C - 20). Davidsson (C/W - 19) and Pekar (C/W - 18) are our best forwards outside the AHL.  At best these guys might be 2nd line players.  Most will likely be 3rd or 4th line players although all including Pekar should see NHL time eventually. Only Olofsson is a pure goal scoring threat and Nylander has the most potential to earn a top 6 job.  

Our best D prospects are in the AHL with Pilut (22), Guhle (21) and Borgen (21).  We also have two strong developing players in Samuelsson (18- NCAA) and Laaksonen (19 - FIN). This list includes 2 puck movers/scorers (Pilut and Laaksonen), 2 physical stay at home types (Borgen and Samuelsson) and 1 McCabe clone (Guhle).

After reviewing this list I disagree with the mock draft that we need a skilled compete guy. We have those. We need more snipers.  Arthur Kaliyev would be great.  

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Spencer Knight looks legit.

When all is said and done I think we pick 18-21, go forward there and possibly Knight with San Jose Pick 

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I saw their mock and dislike it. If Jbott wastes a first on a goalie, fine but then turning around and drafting with the rest of the talent still sitting there is terrible. This is a deep draft and I agree with GA that we need snipers for our top 6. I'd add the best skating sniper left. 

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18 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

We definitely need goaltending, but I’m not sure about taking a goaltender in the 1st.  However Pitt took Fleury 1st overall and there worked out pretty well.

Our young core is Eichel 21, Sam 22, Thompson, 20, Risto 23, Mittelstadt 19, Dahlin 18, McCabe 24 plus Skinner 26. 2 centers, 3 wingers and 3 D (2LHD and 1 RHD). Maybe add Ullmark 25 to the list.

Most of our top forwards prospects are already in the AHL: Nylander (LW - 20), Olofsson (RW/LW - 23), Smith (LW - 23), and Asplund (C - 20). Davidsson (C/W - 19) and Pekar (C/W - 18) are our best forwards outside the AHL.  At best these guys might be 2nd line players.  Most will likely be 3rd or 4th line players although all including Pekar should see NHL time eventually. Only Olofsson is a pure goal scoring threat and Nylander has the most potential to earn a top 6 job.  

Our best D prospects are in the AHL with Pilut (22), Guhle (21) and Borgen (21).  We also have two strong developing players in Samuelsson (18- NCAA) and Laaksonen (19 - FIN). This list includes 2 puck movers/scorers (Pilut and Laaksonen), 2 physical stay at home types (Borgen and Samuelsson) and 1 McCabe clone (Guhle).

After reviewing this list I disagree with the mock draft that we need a skilled compete guy. We have those. We need more snipers.  Arthur Kaliyev would be great.  

I was thinking more about this and this draft. With the talent in this draft, you swing for the fences. Taking a hardworking grinder in the first with some offense is a terrible idea and a reason I disagree with the mock. We should be finding either another center or some snipers for the prospect pool. Even if we draft in the mid 20's there will be guys available. Blake Murray, Samuel Poulin, Connor McMichael, and several defenders would be around. It is still early too so lots of time for guys to slide up or down. Alex Newhook could slide because he is in the BCHL and not the Q. Crazy things happen. 

Also we have K6 in our prospect pool so I just can't see Jbott drafting a goalie in the first. In the 3rd or 4th, sure. 

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Having a strong opinion about a mock draft this far out when none of us know much about these kids is interesting.

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On 11/6/2018 at 12:39 PM, GASabresIUFAN said:

I was looking at the list on the Athletic and 9 of the top 15 players were under 6 feet tall.  This is really becoming a speed and skill game again.  I like the direction the league is headed.

This is true for sure, but there is still room for tough character power forwards. Just look at how quickly Tkachuk has made an impact in Ottawa. They still need to be able to skate well, you want to avoid the slow lumbering Lucic types that the game has moved past, but we might just find come playoff time we as a team are a little short on grit and toughness at this point. 

Regardless, as things are going it should be a tougher test for JBot this year. A monkey with a dart board could have chosen Dahlin. Making quality picks later is what makes true lasting greatness.

Myself, I want more goalies in the system. Hutton will give us a few good years and Ullmark might fill his shoes but it's always good to have multiple goalie prospects in the farm as most of the time goalies take years to develop.

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17 hours ago, Hoss said:

Having a strong opinion about a mock draft this far out when none of us know much about these kids is interesting.

With forwards it is easier to start forming opinions. If you don't score in juniors you don't score in the NHL. It is simple. There are multiple factors about why scoring occurs but if I have the chance between a guy scoring 14g and 23pts versus a guy with 3g and 6pts, there isn't much of a question there. Now you can't compare directly between junior v adult leagues but you still need to see production and this is especially true of first round forward picks. 

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25 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

With forwards it is easier to start forming opinions. If you don't score in juniors you don't score in the NHL. It is simple. There are multiple factors about why scoring occurs but if I have the chance between a guy scoring 14g and 23pts versus a guy with 3g and 6pts, there isn't much of a question there. Now you can't compare directly between junior v adult leagues but you still need to see production and this is especially true of first round forward picks. 

Meh. Can’t really compare production either.

Nicklas Backstrom in his draft year in the SHL:

10-16-26 in 46 games

Peter Mueller in that same draft year in the WHL:

26-32-58 in 52 games

 

You could do this for a TON of different players.

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25 minutes ago, Hoss said:

Meh. Can’t really compare production either.

Nicklas Backstrom in his draft year in the SHL:

10-16-26 in 46 games

Peter Mueller in that same draft year in the WHL:

26-32-58 in 52 games

 

You could do this for a TON of different players.

That's why you look for historical comparisons within leagues. Dahlin was eye opening because 17 year olds don't put up 20pts playing defense in the SHL. Backstrom at 18 had 26pts in 46 games in the SHL, that is again pretty good. 

Mueller was a decent pick. His production in the juniors is over 1.0 which is good. With how many players the CJH sends to the draft there will doubtless be guys like Mueller. That's why in November you don't make a final projection but you can start looking at the scoring and filter guys into early tiers. For Mueller you historically compare his numbers to other players and see what the hit rate is. I bet it is lower than Backstrom's 26pts in the SHL.

CanucksArmy does a lot of work on this. https://canucksarmy.com/2018/05/04/2018-nhl-draft-spring-rankings/ You are basically taking a player and starting with their scoring rate and then further refining that to see where they match with historical and current peers. I think CanucksArmy goes back 5-10 years in their comparisons. For example with Dahlin, he is the ONLY under 18 defenseman  to post his SHL numbers and only the 2nd draft eligible one behind Hedman. So we shouldn't look at Dahlin and compare him to Bouchard but should compare him to other draft eligible SHL defenders from the last few years. 

Hoglander is an interesting case because he started the season slow but has sense started to pick up his game. The real question is how good will he get. His skating from everything I can scrape together this early is great and he has the motor for a smaller player. I would want his scoring to creep higher. For me he is on that 1st round bubble and I would probably wait on him to the 2nd round. That said, it is not even December and you are 100% right, we should be waiting on these players before coming out with strong opinions for or against. I would just like to see his production increase. Nic Backstrom would be a comparable for him. Will he produce at 0.56ppg when it is all said and done. Right now he is at .29 so he has some work to do to get closer to that level. 

 

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