apuszczalowski Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 We are very low on assets and pieces. This team needs to develop talent from within. I disagree on this. Everyone always pushes developing from within and bringing up player to the roster. The Sabres have enough youth, what they need are some good veterans to fill out the roster. You cant build a team off of just youth and prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 I disagree on this. Everyone always pushes developing from within and bringing up player to the roster. The Sabres have enough youth, what they need are some good veterans to fill out the roster. You cant build a team off of just youth and prospects. We can bring in vets but I am not trading assets to do that. We have few assets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 I disagree on this. Everyone always pushes developing from within and bringing up player to the roster. The Sabres have enough youth, what they need are some good veterans to fill out the roster. You cant build a team off of just youth and prospects. Actually, I think you can and should. No more deadbeats at the end of their careers. If we are to win, the current crop must be the leaders (Jack and whoever else is still here). They said you couldn't build a team of cast offs and a good goalie and yet Vegas is in the cup. Speed and a good goalie is everything now. Speed and youth is what we should do while drafting goalies every year until we get the right one. Sure, I'd take a speedy veteran or two with a good work ethic, but not for big money and everybody wants those so it's not worth pursuing too hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 I disagree on this. Everyone always pushes developing from within and bringing up player to the roster. The Sabres have enough youth, what they need are some good veterans to fill out the roster. You cant build a team off of just youth and prospects. Sure you can. They just have to be good enough, and ours haven't been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 I disagree on this. Everyone always pushes developing from within and bringing up player to the roster. The Sabres have enough youth, what they need are some good veterans to fill out the roster. You cant build a team off of just youth and prospects. You and I might be the only two that are beating this drum. Actually, I think you can and should. No more deadbeats at the end of their careers. Noone is advocating bringing in players with nothing left in the tank. The pool of players that can bring veteran leadership is not limited to guys on their last legs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 You and I might be the only two that are beating this drum. Noone is advocating bringing in players with nothing left in the tank. The pool of players that can bring veteran leadership is not limited to guys on their last legs. As long as I'm not trading assets for them sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkard Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 I'm fine with a mix of veterans on short term deals and young guys, but it's time for some of the young guys to sink or swim. Guys like Baptiste and Bailey are forwards who were drafted 5 years ago now and the organization needs to find out if they have a future in the NHL or if they'll end up as permanent fixtures riding buses in the minors and only serve as call ups when there's a string of injuries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetlou Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 (edited) Unless moved in an off season trade I expect both Bailey and Baptiste to be in Buffalo all year. I think they need to be slotted on lines that fit their style of play. Bailey- power forward with speed. Has decent hands but is inconsistent at putting puck in net. I would play him on the RW fourth line and PK. If he gives you 10g -10a =20 points I would be happy. Baptiste- I think he has great speed and hands and if given the opportunity could really produce in the NHL. I would play him on the 2nd or 3rd line. If given the opportunity I think he could be a 20 goal scorer. Realistic goal for this year. 15g- 15a= 30 points. Fasching- I believe he may be included in a trade this off season to give him a new environment and fresh start. Return won't be great just an extra piece included in trade. Edited May 24, 2018 by sweetlou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 (edited) It isn't realistic to project a player who has barely played in the NHL to score 15goals on a team that only had 5 players get 15 or more goals last year. That is a good hope and a goal but with how dysfunctional this team, not overly realistic. Edited May 24, 2018 by Skurk Liger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkard Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 (edited) Unless moved in an off season trade I expect both Bailey and Baptiste to be in Buffalo all year. I think they need to be slotted on lines that fit their style of play. Bailey- power forward with speed. Has decent hands but is inconsistent at putting puck in net. I would play him on the RW fourth line and PK. If he gives you 10g -10a =20 points I would be happy. Baptiste- I think he has great speed and hands and if given the opportunity could really produce in the NHL. I would play him on the 2nd or 3rd line. If given the opportunity I think he could be a 20 goal scorer. Realistic goal for this year. 15g- 15a= 30 points. Fasching- I believe he may be included in a trade this off season to give him a new environment and fresh start. Return won't be great just an extra piece included in trade. 15/15/30 was the stat line for Girgensons during his "all star" season in which he spent much of the season on the top line. If Baptiste was capable of that, he wouldn't still be in the AHL. I think that's more of a best case scenario for him. Edited May 24, 2018 by Alkoholist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 Baptiste, IMO, has made the Sabres unless he shows up to camp fat and drunk. Was a regular pretty much the last two months with stats that project to 10 goals with 4th-line ice time. He’s waiver-eligible and provides the pace the team wants to add, with improving structure. At worst he Is a cheap upgrade to the Nolans of the world, with some upside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 Baptiste, IMO, has made the Sabres unless he shows up to camp fat and drunk. Was a regular pretty much the last two months with stats that project to 10 goals with 4th-line ice time. He’s waiver-eligible and provides the pace the team wants to add, with improving structure. At worst he Is a cheap upgrade to the Nolans of the world, with some upside. Agreed. If healthy, I think there's little doubt Baptiste will be in the opening lineup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyldnwoody44 Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 So, who is our Wilson, if we ever make it far enough to need some added muscle and grit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 So, who is our Wilson, if we ever make it far enough to need some added muscle and grit? Don't have one, don't need one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetlou Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 (edited) Would this line up be good enough?? Where else besides goaltender and LW do we need help?? LW- Eichel- Okposo Mittelstadt- ROR- Reinhart Wilson- ERod- Baptiste LW- Larsson- Bailey Pressbox- Pommers, Girgensons In Rochester- Olofsson, Malone, Nylander, O' Reagan Juniors- Pu Guhle- Risto Scandella- Dahlin McCabe- Bogo Pressbox- Pilut, Nelson Ullmark ??? Of course I think we will see at least one trade. Who out there fills the needs the Sabres need?? UFA's or trade Edited May 24, 2018 by sweetlou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallawaySabres Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 3 of those players on offense need to be off the team yesterday if they are to stand a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 (edited) I don't see them moving Mittelstadt to wing And Guhle is not ready for first line minutes yet. Edited May 24, 2018 by Skurk Liger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 I don't see them moving Mittelstadt to wing And Guhle is not ready for first line minutes yet. He's not ready for 2nd pair minutes yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 Would this line up be good enough?? Where else besides goaltender and LW do we need help?? LW- Eichel- Okposo Mittelstadt- ROR- Reinhart Wilson- ERod- Baptiste LW- Larsson- Bailey Pressbox- Pommers, Girgensons In Rochester- Olofsson, Malone, Nylander, O' Reagan Juniors- Pu Guhle- Risto Scandella- Dahlin McCabe- Bogo Pressbox- Pilut, Nelson Ullmark ??? Of course I think we will see at least one trade. Who out there fills the needs the Sabres need?? UFA's or trade That is last years roster plus Middle and Darlin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubkev Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 That is last years roster plus Middle and Darlin. Which = another dfl finish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 That is last years roster plus Middle and Darlin. Slotting players that we have - where they should realistically be, should we hope to contend for the playoffs - to my mind looks something like: Derp - Eichel - Derp Smith - O’Reilly - Reinhart Wilson - Mittelstadt - Okposo Girgensons - Rodrigues - Baptiste Scandella - Ristolainen McCabe - Dahlin Guhle - Bogosian Ullmark Derp - - - I’m stretching it with Smith, who is a fair bit of a question mark, and long term we’d want better wingers for Casey, but I think in a magical universe where we are able to add those three Derps to the roster, that team could fight for a playoff spot. At least I feel those guys currently listed are properly slotted (ok, Risto should be second pair, but we know he’s only a placeholder on the top pair till Dahlin is ready). I think it’s reasonable likely Botterill can find a capable goaltender to share time with Ullmark. Even a LW for Eichel seems within the range of possibility with guys like Perron on the market. Finding two wingers to play on the top line this offseason seems very unlikely. The good news is, those winger sports are a lot easier to fill than a top pair D spot (yay lottery), and there are internal candidates like Olofsson who could eventually fit the bill. In my dream roster, Davidsson grows into that roll too, I really like him as a prospect. With Pilut (hopefully) and Nelson adding D depth, to go along with our very good centre depth, it’s really looking like LW is the BIGGEST area in need of attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmel Corn Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 Don't have one, don't need one. Bull! It is needed in the regular season and especially in the playoffs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabresparaavida Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 Slotting players that we have - where they should realistically be, should we hope to contend for the playoffs - to my mind looks something like: Derp - Eichel - Derp Smith - O’Reilly - Reinhart Wilson - Mittelstadt - Okposo Girgensons - Rodrigues - Baptiste Scandella - Ristolainen McCabe - Dahlin Guhle - Bogosian Ullmark Derp - - - I’m stretching it with Smith, who is a fair bit of a question mark, and long term we’d want better wingers for Casey, but I think in a magical universe where we are able to add those three Derps to the roster, that team could fight for a playoff spot. At least I feel those guys currently listed are properly slotted (ok, Risto should be second pair, but we know he’s only a placeholder on the top pair till Dahlin is ready). I think it’s reasonable likely Botterill can find a capable goaltender to share time with Ullmark. Even a LW for Eichel seems within the range of possibility with guys like Perron on the market. Finding two wingers to play on the top line this offseason seems very unlikely. The good news is, those winger sports are a lot easier to fill than a top pair D spot (yay lottery), and there are internal candidates like Olofsson who could eventually fit the bill. In my dream roster, Davidsson grows into that roll too, I really like him as a prospect. With Pilut (hopefully) and Nelson adding D depth, to go along with our very good centre depth, it’s really looking like LW is the BIGGEST area in need of attention. I would almost agree with you completely if not for goalie. That is an extremely week position for us in this scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 Spector's Hockey @SpectorsHockey FollowFollow @SpectorsHockey More #Penguins reportedly looking to trade Phil Kessel https://shar.es/anrvGh via @TribLIVE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 $6.8M cap hit that runs through 2021-2022, when he'll be 33 What am I missing here? Seems like a good contract, and he's been great there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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