pi2000 Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 1) Risto, Eichel, and Reinhart would have progressed regardless IMO. Kane seems to do really well with Byslma. 2) Why can we only take the puck away in our own zone? Why can't we do it offensively? 3) Interesting stat. So RoR, who has been voted for a Selke trophy multiple times, has less takeaways than Jack? So does a vet Gionta, and Kane? We've all seen Jack in the defensive zone, he's not good, at all. This tells me your stat means, well, nothing um, no. did you mis-read my comment? ROR has 55 takeways, Eichel 35. sure, we can take the the puck away anywhere, but it's critically important to do so in the d-zone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 (edited) um, no. did you mis-read my comment? ROR has 55 takeways, Eichel 35. sure, we can take the the puck away anywhere, but it's critically important to do so in the d-zone. I did, thought it said Risto Still concerning that Eichel is 2nd on the team. Do you really think he's then 2nd best defensive forward on the team? Is that a usual record for RoR? Or has it gone up / down since he's been here under Byslma? Edited April 5, 2017 by WildCard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 I did, thought it said Risto Still concerning that Eichel is 2nd on the team. Do you really think he's then 2nd best defensive forward on the team? Eichel has that long stick and is effective when he uses it in the d-zone to strip pucks and block passing lanes. He still gets lazy in his own end at times and just floats, but we've all seen it, when he's determined to get the puck back he usually does (eg his goal against CBJ early last season). Besides ROR, who do you think is the best defensive forward on this team and why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 (edited) So RoR had 55 47 98 (1st in the league) 83 (1st in the league) 34 (29 gp. He Actually had a hire takeaway / game than he did in the next year) 101 (1st in the league) 72 (7th in the league) 69 (Rookie year, 8th in the league) https://www.sportingcharts.com/nhl/stats/player-takeaway-statistics/2012/ So pi, how do you explain that? Under different head coaches and different systems, ever year he leads the league in takeaways. He comes here and what happens? He's literally posting worse takeaway stats than he was in his rookie year, both year he's played under Dan Byslma. Eichel has that long stick and is effective when he uses it in the d-zone to strip pucks and block passing lanes. He still gets lazy in his own end at times and just floats, but we've all seen it, when he's determined to get the puck back he usually does (eg his goal against CBJ early last season). Besides ROR, who do you think is the best defensive forward on this team and why? I don't know who it is, but it sure as hell isn't Eichel. I think the board would be unanimous on that one Edited April 5, 2017 by WildCard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 (edited) So RoR had 55 47 98 (1st in the league) 83 (1st in the league) 34 (29 gp) Didn't bother looking up the rest. https://www.sportingcharts.com/nhl/stats/player-takeaway-statistics/2012/ So pi, how does that happen, when the only thing that changed for him was his head coach? How does that compare with his minutes played? A few comments on ROR.... - he hasn't been 100% healthy this season, he looks like he's laboring out there at times, and had that groin problem early in the year iirc. - he's overworked because he has to fill too many rolls: scoring forward (1st PP unit), face-off specialist, 1st PK unit and defensive specialist. Due to lack of defensively skilled players on this roster, he's overworked and worn down by game 50 which is also partly due to the next item... - he's a vegetarian and therefore has a low red blood cell count because of a lack of iron (used by hemoglobin for oxygen transport) in his diet, so his aerobic endurance suffers and he can't recover as quickly between games Edited April 5, 2017 by pi2000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 (edited) There's a ton of excuses if I've ever seen them :lol: By the way, Byslma is responsible for his overworked usage and I wouldn't be surprised it that's the cause of his injury too Edited April 5, 2017 by WildCard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 There's a ton of excuses if I've ever seen them and your excuse is what... because Bylsma? But when he does something good, or our young players develop... it's just because they would have done that anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 and your excuse is what... because Bylsma? But when he does something good, or our young players develop... it's just because they would have done that anyway?Name the difference then with ROR. Under different coaches and different systems and different rosters and different usage, he leads the league in takeaways every year, or close to it. Then he comes here and posts his worst career numbers ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted April 6, 2017 Report Share Posted April 6, 2017 (edited) If they fire DD, who would you want? Who's out there? Lindy? Edited April 6, 2017 by PromoTheRobot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cisse Posted April 6, 2017 Report Share Posted April 6, 2017 I don't think Bylsma will go. I would give him more time but we need to build the team stronger for the next season. It also would be nice if our key players would stay healthier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drnkirishone Posted April 6, 2017 Report Share Posted April 6, 2017 i do not see many scenarios where disco is coaching the sabres at the start of next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jsixspd Posted April 6, 2017 Report Share Posted April 6, 2017 I hated to do it, because IMHO Bylsma should have been fired months ago, but I voted "No". I just don't see it happening. As Regier would say we have more 'pain' to 'suffer'. :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3putt Posted April 7, 2017 Report Share Posted April 7, 2017 I voted no. There is still a player accountability issue. Yeah the system sucks, but with better d talent we would have had abetter finish. I predict Thanksgiving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted April 7, 2017 Report Share Posted April 7, 2017 I'm sure this is not an original theory, but... 1. Murray knew what he was getting in Bylsma and they were and are on the same page system-wise. 2. The players are not in place yet to make the system work and Murray knows it. 3. They agreed to establish the system first, knowing it wouldn't work to perfection, or work well at all, instead of fitting another system to the players. All part of "the plan" and its corresponding timeline? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-90 W Posted April 7, 2017 Report Share Posted April 7, 2017 One can only hope. Honestly though I think if that were the case (DB firing being imminent) he would have been fired already in march. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted April 7, 2017 Report Share Posted April 7, 2017 One can only hope. Honestly though I think if that were the case (DB firing being imminent) he would have been fired already in march. Nah, it depends on what the plan is after he's done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted April 10, 2017 Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 Well, if you believe in the collective wisdom of the crowd, this one is waaaaaayyy too close for comfort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubkev Posted April 10, 2017 Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 ...aaand 2 points for pi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted April 10, 2017 Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 ...aaand 2 points for pi For successfully trolling? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubkev Posted April 10, 2017 Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 For successfully trolling? Yup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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