X. Benedict Posted June 26, 2015 Report Share Posted June 26, 2015 Since the beginning of the Sabres 40+ years this team has always found goaltenders. I think we already have a decent supply of young goalies that just lack nhl experience. I would much rather Murray sign a free agent goalie rather than trading for one unless your trading a pick not in the first two rounds. I'm really against using ammo to acquire a goalie, when you can have Niemi, Enroth, Neuvirth, Lindback, or Dubnyk all at cost, and the time it takes for a phone call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted June 26, 2015 Report Share Posted June 26, 2015 Here's the free agent list according to Spotrac...... Jonathan Bernier G 26 TOR TBD $2,900,000 RFA Peter Budaj G 32 WPG TBD $1,400,000 UFA Ilya Bryzgalov G 35 ANA TBD $1,176,774 UFA Jordan Binnington G 21 STL TBD $916,667 RFA Jake Allen G 24 STL TBD $800,000 RFA Jared Coreau G 23 DET TBD $792,500 RFA Sami Aittokallio G 22 COL TBD $683,333 RFA Mac Carruth G 23 CHI TBD $616,667 RFA Maxime Clermont G NJD TBD $605,000 RFA Scott Clemmensen G 37 NJD TBD $312,903 UFA Richard Bachman G 27 EDM TBD $251,290 UFA Tyler Bunz G EDM TBD $40,412 RFA Igor Bobkov G 24 ANA TBD $38,441 RFA Matt Climie G STL TBD - RFA 2 things: That's just a through c I want Bunz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_sauve28 Posted June 26, 2015 Report Share Posted June 26, 2015 So we were the worst team in the league last year but had THREE pretty good, if not well above average, goalies. What does that say about goalies? Dime a dozen? Great coaching or we got lucky? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoPre Posted June 26, 2015 Report Share Posted June 26, 2015 Here's the free agent list according to Spotrac...... Jonathan Bernier G 26 TOR TBD $2,900,000 RFA Peter Budaj G 32 WPG TBD $1,400,000 UFA Ilya Bryzgalov G 35 ANA TBD $1,176,774 UFA Jordan Binnington G 21 STL TBD $916,667 RFA Jake Allen G 24 STL TBD $800,000 RFA Jared Coreau G 23 DET TBD $792,500 RFA Sami Aittokallio G 22 COL TBD $683,333 RFA Mac Carruth G 23 CHI TBD $616,667 RFA Maxime Clermont G NJD TBD $605,000 RFA Scott Clemmensen G 37 NJD TBD $312,903 UFA Richard Bachman G 27 EDM TBD $251,290 UFA Tyler Bunz G EDM TBD $40,412 RFA Igor Bobkov G 24 ANA TBD $38,441 RFA Matt Climie G STL TBD - RFA Wouldn't mind the Sabres going after Allen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 26, 2015 Report Share Posted June 26, 2015 So we were the worst team in the league last year but had THREE pretty good, if not well above average, goalies. What does that say about goalies? Dime a dozen? Great coaching or we got lucky? It todays NHL with how positioning and coaching works, I would argue a competent GT can win on just about any decent team. Carey Price didn't win his team a cup. The team and system in front of GT are really where you should be worried. The GT behind that team really just needs to be average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted June 26, 2015 Report Share Posted June 26, 2015 Wouldn't mind the Sabres going after Allen. I'm partial to Binnington for the local connection. His sister just graduated from RIT where she was outstanding in net. It appears to run in the family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted June 26, 2015 Report Share Posted June 26, 2015 2 things: That's just a through c I want Bunz My anaconda don't want none Unless you've got bunz hun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted June 26, 2015 Report Share Posted June 26, 2015 Our goaltenders were good at the expense of the rest of the team. It was a system thing. Not a talent thing. And it's a system that won't return. We'll need competent goaltending Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_sauve28 Posted June 26, 2015 Report Share Posted June 26, 2015 It todays NHL with how positioning and coaching works, I would argue a competent GT can win on just about any decent team. Carey Price didn't win his team a cup. The team and system in front of GT are really where you should be worried. The GT behind that team really just needs to be average. I totally agree with this. I think any of the Sabres goalies could have taken Crawford's spot and the Hawks still would have won the cup. And Crawford played great! But there are a ton of goalies out there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted June 26, 2015 Report Share Posted June 26, 2015 Our goaltenders were good at the expense of the rest of the team. It was a system thing. Not a talent thing. And it's a system that won't return. We'll need competent goaltending Anyone who played net for Buffalo last season would be just fine going forward. They're all serviceable NHL goalies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted June 26, 2015 Report Share Posted June 26, 2015 I totally agree with this. I think any of the Sabres goalies could have taken Crawford's spot and the Hawks still would have won the cup. And Crawford played great! But there are a ton of goalies out there I completely disagree. Any of Enroth, Neuvirth and Lindback would've been shipped out before mid season on that team. Anyone who played net for Buffalo last season would be just fine going forward. They're all serviceable NHL goalies. Enroth? Serviceable backup for sure. Not a guy you want starting consistently when you're good. Neuvirth? Serviceable backup with maybe a bit more trust as a starter. Lindback? Nowhere near serviceable in his other recent stops. Not even as a backup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted June 26, 2015 Report Share Posted June 26, 2015 My anaconda don't want none Unless you've got bunz hun This snake metaphor for the desire for ample bottom is funniest when said in the accent of that Simpson's seven-eleven guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 26, 2015 Report Share Posted June 26, 2015 (edited) I'm partial to Binnington for the local connection. His sister just graduated from RIT where she was outstanding in net. It appears to run in the family. Can we draft the sister? GT would be one position in hockey where a Woman could make the NHL jump with the right coaching and practice, relies more on position and reading the play than overall strength. I know we are not drafting a lady just thinking about the future NHL Edited June 26, 2015 by LGR4GM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoPre Posted June 26, 2015 Report Share Posted June 26, 2015 Can we draft the sister? GT would be one position in hockey where a Woman could make the NHL jump with the right coaching and practice, relies more on position and reading the play than overall strength. Ha Remember little about it, but Tampa had a lady in their system, believe she played a few NHL games, a number of years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted June 26, 2015 Report Share Posted June 26, 2015 Can we draft the sister? GT would be one position in hockey where a Woman could make the NHL jump with the right coaching and practice, relies more on position and reading the play than overall strength. I know we are not drafting a lady just thinking about the future NHL It's the only position a woman could play in the NHL and I think at some point someone will do it for real. I completely disagree. Any of Enroth, Neuvirth and Lindback would've been shipped out before mid season on that team. Enroth? Serviceable backup for sure. Not a guy you want starting consistently when you're good. Neuvirth? Serviceable backup with maybe a bit more trust as a starter. Lindback? Nowhere near serviceable in his other recent stops. Not even as a backup. You're severely overvaluing other goalies. So much of what makes a goalie effective is chemistry with team mates, system, and coaching. We don't need a star. Just some filler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted June 26, 2015 Report Share Posted June 26, 2015 You're severely overvaluing other goalies. So much of what makes a goalie effective is chemistry with team mates, system, and coaching. We don't need a star. Just some filler. Who was the last team to win a cup with a "filler?" I can follow the line of thinking that we can just ride with a filler until we're ready to be good but why not get it done now? Acquire one and draft one. Then you don't worry about the position for a decade. (No, Crawford is not a filler) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted June 26, 2015 Report Share Posted June 26, 2015 Who was the last team to win a cup with a "filler?" I can follow the line of thinking that we can just ride with a filler until we're ready to be good but why not get it done now? Acquire one and draft one. Then you don't worry about the position for a decade. (No, Crawford is not a filler) Crawford is filler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted June 26, 2015 Report Share Posted June 26, 2015 Crawford is filler. No he isn't. This is some fantasy world we wish we could live in. Crawford isn't Quick/Lundqvist but he's in the next tier. Second-round pick, great in the AHL and then two cups. .917 SV% with a few seasons over .920. He's not a filler. He just isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 26, 2015 Report Share Posted June 26, 2015 No he isn't. This is some fantasy world we wish we could live in. Crawford isn't Quick/Lundqvist but he's in the next tier. Second-round pick, great in the AHL and then two cups. .917 SV% with a few seasons over .920. He's not a filler. He just isn't. But how many 2nd tier goalies are there? How many times a year do we see a 2nd tier goalie emerge from the 3rd tier? I think finding a goalie should not require multiple 2nd round picks. If that is the price spend those picks on goalies instead, you'll have a similar chance of finding that 2nd tier guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted June 26, 2015 Report Share Posted June 26, 2015 No he isn't. This is some fantasy world we wish we could live in. Crawford isn't Quick/Lundqvist but he's in the next tier. Second-round pick, great in the AHL and then two cups. .917 SV% with a few seasons over .920. He's not a filler. He just isn't. He got pulled in the playoffs for Scott Darling and looked barely comfortable the entire run. He better be hobbing every knob in that Blackhawks locker room for cementing his legacy as the worlds luckiest goalie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted June 26, 2015 Report Share Posted June 26, 2015 So we were the worst team in the league last year but had THREE pretty good, if not well above average, goalies. What does that say about goalies? Dime a dozen? Great coaching or we got lucky? It's kind of a moot point with the Lehner trade, but none of our goalies last year approached anything resembling above average. They were all well below the league average save percentage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 26, 2015 Report Share Posted June 26, 2015 I think that exact discussion has happened in the war room. Are we better off using one of those picks on Lack, Talbot or Lehner than we are on Samsonov, Blackwood or Vlader? TM knows the answer. We will probably find out in the next 48 hours. Or 24. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsif Posted June 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 26, 2015 (edited) It's kind of a moot point with the Lehner trade, . WTF? Anybody see this coming? for 21? Edited June 26, 2015 by hsif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted June 26, 2015 Report Share Posted June 26, 2015 He got pulled in the playoffs for Scott Darling and looked barely comfortable the entire run. He better be hobbing every knob in that Blackhawks locker room for cementing his legacy as the worlds luckiest goalie. I thought that was Osgood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted June 26, 2015 Report Share Posted June 26, 2015 WTF? Anybody see this coming? for 21? Yes. Considering TMs ties to Ottawa, it's a natural reaction for him to "overpay" for Lehner. In his mind he didn't overpay, which is all that matters. I trust his decision making... bold, sometimes looks stupid on the surface, but I'm not going to pretend I know more about Lehner than he does. Hopefully he's right about him and he turns out better than any player they could've had at 21 (Samsonov?). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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