PASabreFan Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 Let's assume Buffalo really is blue-collar and hard-working. It's a subjective and IMHO trite description, but leaving that debate aside the question is whether any of that should really matter when building a hockey team. GMTM has touched on giving Buffalo a team that reflects its character. The owner has said he likes gritty and hard-working players. Nolan has often talked about it. Yesterday, he again referenced the work ethic of the city when he was asked about the idea that fans would boo their team and cheer for the opposition down the stretch. Sabres coach Ted Nolan expects the city’s blue-collar fans will appreciate his team’s effort. “I don’t think you have to say anything to this city,” Nolan said Tuesday. “This city knows what it’s like to work. It’s a city full of workers. I don’t know anybody in this town who would go to work and not give their best, and that’s what we’re trying to do as a hockey team. So I’m quite sure the fans will get behind that.” http://www.buffalohockeybeat.com/ted-nolan-expects-crowd-to-be-respectful-thursday/ Over the years, I think this whole notion has sometimes been a way of marketing the team, giving the fans what they supposedly want. Think late 80s and mid 90s. How much of this should actually enter GMTM's thinking when building his team? Me, I hope the occasional comments are just some PR crumbs thrown to the population. Or, if the team ends up reflecting this mythical image of the city, that it's only because that's what makes the most hockey sense to give us what we all really want. I don't want Murray thinking about it at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 (edited) You nailed it at the end. Not at all. And I've seen no indication that Murray thinks that way. On the flip side, Murray sees how important it is to have size and grit (that can skate) on the roster. Acquiring Kane, Bogosian, Deslauriers, Fasching, and including Foligno in lists of the "new core." The "blue-collar" side of Buffalo will certainly appreciate that, considering how passionless and puny that last Darcy core was. Edited March 25, 2015 by qwksndmonster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude_Verret Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 GMTM ZFG about appearances or PR. Zero influence on how team is built. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTS Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 I'd look at it this way. Look at the championship teams over the past 5-10 years and ask yourselves if they were moved to Buffalo.. would they fit the blue collar, hard working bill? I think so.. and therein lies the answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woods-racer Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 Let's assume Buffalo really is blue-collar and hard-working. It's a subjective and IMHO trite description, but leaving that debate aside the question is whether any of that should really matter when building a hockey team. GMTM has touched on giving Buffalo a team that reflects its character. The owner has said he likes gritty and hard-working players. Nolan has often talked about it. Yesterday, he again referenced the work ethic of the city when he was asked about the idea that fans would boo their team and cheer for the opposition down the stretch. http://www.buffalohockeybeat.com/ted-nolan-expects-crowd-to-be-respectful-thursday/ Over the years, I think this whole notion has sometimes been a way of marketing the team, giving the fans what they supposedly want. Think late 80s and mid 90s. How much of this should actually enter GMTM's thinking when building his team? Me, I hope the occasional comments are just some PR crumbs thrown to the population. Or, if the team ends up reflecting this mythical image of the city, that it's only because that's what makes the most hockey sense to give us what we all really want. I don't want Murray thinking about it at all. I don't want it at all, to me "blue collar" team means a bunch of over achievers in sports. I don't want a team that is not skilled but works hard every shift. I want skill mixed with size and grit. I want a team that can score any way they need to win a game, not just throw pucks at the net and hope for the best. I want highlight film goals, not Devils trap games because it gives us the best chance to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samson's Flow Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 I couldn't give two flying how the team is built if they are perennial contenders. Give me a team that wins and i'm happy. I don't care if they a filled with a whole team of uber talented Gerbe sized players. That being said, I think the most consistent team is one that is based on size and physicality. High scoring run-and-gun teams are way too dependant on shooting percentage and save percentage, which can be highly volatile in the short-term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 I thought we agreed he was trying to build a Western Conference team? Like them fancy cities Chicago and LA have. I think it's all PR when he says this kind of stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 I couldn't give two flying ###### how the team is built if they are perennial contenders. Give me a team that wins and i'm happy. I don't care if they a filled with a whole team of uber talented Gerbe sized players. That being said, I think the most consistent team is one that is based on size and physicality. High scoring run-and-gun teams are way too dependant on shooting percentage and save percentage, which can be highly volatile in the short-term. High scoring run-and-gun teams can be gritty and big as well. In my minds eye, the eventual cup winning Sabres roster is something like the Ducks current roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samson's Flow Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 High scoring run-and-gun teams can be gritty and big as well. In my minds eye, the eventual cup winning Sabres roster is something like the Ducks current roster. No doubt, but I will note that the 6'4" 230lb player will almost always knock over the smaller player. Having more of these size players mitigates some of the volatility in shooting percentage and puck luck events. I'm looking to identify the most statistically repeatable events for sucess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 No doubt, but I will note that the 6'4" 230lb player will almost always knock over the smaller player. Having more of these size players mitigates some of the volatility in shooting percentage and puck luck events. I'm looking to identify the most statistically repeatable events for sucess. And the Tyler Ennis will almost always bounce off the 230lb player with the puck on his stick somehow. If we do have small players, I'd prefer they play like St. Louis or Ennis, rather than like Roy or Hodgson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samson's Flow Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 And the Tyler Ennis will almost always bounce off the 230lb player with the puck on his stick somehow. If we do have small players, I'd prefer they play like St. Louis or Ennis, rather than like Roy or Hodgson. No doubt. I have no problem with having Tyler Ennis on this team, because he has demonstrated an ability to control the puck and make plays when given little to no space. This year with him being basically our only scoring option, the defense has keyed on him and given him no space to work with, and he has found success despite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 No doubt. I have no problem with having Tyler Ennis on this team, because he has demonstrated an ability to control the puck and make plays when given little to no space. This year with him being basically our only scoring option, the defense has keyed on him and given him no space to work with, and he has found success despite. Why can't Tyler Ennis date my sister or something? I wanna play pond hockey with him so bad. Or at least a skate like this: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 Let's assume Buffalo really is blue-collar and hard-working. It's a subjective and IMHO trite description, but I agreed with, and really didn't get beyond, that characterization. Just ice a winner, baby. That is all anyone will care about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Crotch Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 I've efficiently summarized my thoughts in a single emoticon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matter2003 Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 You nailed it at the end. Not at all. And I've seen no indication that Murray thinks that way. On the flip side, Murray sees how important it is to have size and grit (that can skate) on the roster. Acquiring Kane, Bogosian, Deslauriers, Fasching, and including Foligno in lists of the "new core." The "blue-collar" side of Buffalo will certainly appreciate that, considering how passionless and puny that last Darcy core was. I think we most of all appreciate GOOD players that are also hard working that end up getting us the result we want, aka wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 I really like the compete level of a blue-collar team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 I really like the compete level of a blue-collar team. It's not a complicated game. Guys just need to work hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3putt Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 I think you can get a good idea of what the Sabres will like in 2016 by taking a gander at the Sens. Since Neil has been out they roll 4 lines and dont let up. The only difference is the potential addition of a Toews or Crosby like player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 It's not a complicated game. Guys just need to work hard. Just take it one game at a time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted March 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 Very good discussion so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 Very good discussion so far. We have been executing our game-plan well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 I think we most of all appreciate GOOD players that are also hard working that end up getting us the result we want, aka wins. It's hockey. Most of the GOOD players work hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 There are few things I hate more then the blue collar, hard working rhetoric. First, Buffalo is hardly a blue collar town anymore. Second, as someone already said, its a euphemism for over achievers. Third, most people don't understand how much effort is on display when they are watching a sporting event. As I said in another thread, Cody Hodgson is said to be one of the hardest working Sabre's ever, yet few on this board would ever call him a blue collar, hard working type of hockey player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 There are few things I hate more then the blue collar, hard working rhetoric. First, Buffalo is hardly a blue collar town anymore. Second, as someone already said, its a euphemism for over achievers. Third, most people don't understand how much effort is on display when they are watching a sporting event. As I said in another thread, Cody Hodgson is said to be one of the hardest working Sabre's ever, yet few on this board would ever call him a blue collar, hard working type of hockey player I never thought about it, but the line I bolded is very true. If the Sabres are Building a Bully (yes I know it's Rex Ryan's line about the Bills but it's s similar concept with GMTM favors size with skill), they should simply be achieving, not over achieving. Has for the CoHo line, that was alluded to in another thread, but is that about what he does in practice and off the ice, or during games? Since it was attributed to Simonek I assumed it wasn't referring specifically to his game play, which IMO is nowhere close to being among the hardest work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 (edited) If the Sabres are Building a Bully (yes I know it's Rex Ryan's line about the Bills but it's s similar concept with GMTM favors size with skill) Not his line anymore. Vic Carucci @viccarucci Ryan said #Bills "talked w a lot of people before we even met w Richie." Admitted "bullying" was wrong word to use to describe team. 10:09 AM - 24 Mar 2015 Edited March 25, 2015 by That Aud Smell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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