TrueBlueGED Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 Yeah this episode didn't really do it for me other than Oberyn's pretty face. And how was that his way of asking "Why Cersei?" I'm not really sure what the speech means yet, other than the obvious meaning of sometimes people die for no reason. My girlfriend on Jaime "Fell for the wrong sibling." It's pretty convoluted, and probably not what it was about, but here goes. Cousin Orson was a simple person doing simple acts because he enjoyed it, and nobody outside of him understood it even if they tried to. A lot of innocents were hurt in the process, for no reason other than as a consequence of his enjoyment. While Jaime might be a complex character (or at least has evolved that way), his motivations are relatively straight forward: be with Cersei. Nobody understands it, certainly nobody approves of it, yet it remains his single-minded focus (or was until she shut him down, but even then she got raped for her troubles, soooo). How many people have gotten killed as a result? Maybe Robert and Ned would have gotten killed anyway, the but the whole ######-born bastard children accelerated the process. Maybe Joffrey wouldn't have been such a psychopath if he wasn't an inbred? And then there's Jaime's answer of "I don't know"...well why do you love who you love? Common interests are an easy thing to state or whatever, but it's not that simple and often times relationships are something nobody outside the relationship understands. Not convinced? Yea I'm not either since I've put more thought into it :lol: . That was just my initial thought while I was watching it. The whole "Innocents die for no good reason at all" is a much more plausible explanation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 Pretty cool interactive map of Westeros with zoom in/out functionality here: http://quartermaester.info/ And here is, IMHO, an excellent essay about the last episode, including Oberyn's headache: http://grantland.com/hollywood-prospectus/game-of-thrones-recap-the-rumble-in-the-red-keep/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR HOLLIDAY Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 (edited) Oberyn will be missed. Darrio could have taken lessons from that guy. I know that J.R.R has gotten a lot of credit for pulling the rug out from under his readers and turning the tables……But weaker boring characters live on while wicked smart interesting characters like Oberyn don't even make it through one book, his boring ass brother with the super fat gout kankles lives on however……..Books 4 and 5 are pretty good, but they take a dip in the level of interest that the new characters bring to the table………I wonder if he ever thought he would get that far with the series. Holy mackerel. Just like Vanek on a 2-on-1, Oberyn got too cute. Holy mackerel. Not to cute, totally focused on revenge and his anger got the best of him Edited June 3, 2014 by DR HOLLIDAY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 Finally got around to watching this week's epsiode. Quite the ending. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samson's Flow Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 (edited) Something has been bugging me about this most recent season of GoT. I don't think I need to include a spoilers tag but I guess I will in case some people have not gotten to this part in the book yet. Why are the directors this season focusing on a fabricated love story in Mereen with Grey Worm and Missandei in order to keep Dany's storyline going? I realize that once she gets to Mereen and takes over there isn't much happening, but they totally cut the Sons of the Harpy's rebellion killings and unrest with Hizdahr zo Loraq? That would have been entertaining to watch Dany learning that leading a city has its challenges too. Where is the master's unrest regarding changing traditions and reopening the fighting pit? The dragons have been totally MIA for the last 3-4 episodes of the HBO series. Instead of all these things providing intrigue and challenges to Dany and co., the HBO series has them lounging around like there are no problems at all, and showing some (admittedly awesome) boobage from Missandei. There is zero character development for Daenerys since she took Mereen. Super frustrating as she is supposed to be learning the ways/challenges of ruling this whole time. tl/dr The series cut a ton of Daenerys' character development to the detriment of the show /rant Edited June 4, 2014 by Touched by Boyes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LastPommerFan Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 Something has been bugging me about this most recent season of GoT. I don't think I need to include a spoilers tag but I guess I will in case some people have not gotten to this part in the book yet. Why are the directors this season focusing on a fabricated love story in Mereen with Grey Worm and Missandei in order to keep Dany's storyline going? I realize that once she gets to Mereen and takes over there isn't much happening, but they totally cut the Sons of the Harpy's rebellion killings and unrest with Hizdahr zo Loraq? That would have been entertaining to watch Dany learning that leading a city has its challenges too. Where is the master's unrest regarding changing traditions and reopening the fighting pit? The dragons have been totally MIA for the last 3-4 episodes of the HBO series. Instead of all these things providing intrigue and challenges to Dany and co., the HBO series has them lounging around like there are no problems at all, and showing some (admittedly awesome) boobage from Missandei. There is zero character development for Daenerys since she took Mereen. Super frustrating as she is supposed to be learning the ways/challenges of ruling this whole time. tl/dr The series cut a ton of Daenerys' character development to the detriment of the show /rant $ to show Boobs <<<< $ to show Dragons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josie Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 Something has been bugging me about this most recent season of GoT. I don't think I need to include a spoilers tag but I guess I will in case some people have not gotten to this part in the book yet. Why are the directors this season focusing on a fabricated love story in Mereen with Grey Worm and Missandei in order to keep Dany's storyline going? I realize that once she gets to Mereen and takes over there isn't much happening, but they totally cut the Sons of the Harpy's rebellion killings and unrest with Hizdahr zo Loraq? That would have been entertaining to watch Dany learning that leading a city has its challenges too. Where is the master's unrest regarding changing traditions and reopening the fighting pit? The dragons have been totally MIA for the last 3-4 episodes of the HBO series. Instead of all these things providing intrigue and challenges to Dany and co., the HBO series has them lounging around like there are no problems at all, and showing some (admittedly awesome) boobage from Missandei. There is zero character development for Daenerys since she took Mereen. Super frustrating as she is supposed to be learning the ways/challenges of ruling this whole time. tl/dr The series cut a ton of Daenerys' character development to the detriment of the show /rant This bugs me too. Also, I may be mistaken, but wasn't Missandei supposed to be a little girl? I know Dany is younger in the books as well, and I understand them aging her up for TV. I'll admit, Missandei is the most beautiful woman in the show to me so far, but really... get rid of this love triangle. Please. I'm just mad that the only eye candy left for me had his skull smashed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samson's Flow Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 $ to show Boobs <<<< $ to show Dragons Understood. The dragons complaint is a minor one since they are going to spend a bajillion dollars to show full dragons locked in the fighting pits doing nothing. But the other stuff, unrest in the city, all the master's politics, Dany leading the city's people - isn't that way better television than a made up love story between a supposed 10 year old girl servant and a warrior eunuch? Sidenote - The traditional garb that Daenerys wears 90% of the time in Mereen has one breast exposed in the books. I'd watch that during the conversations of holding court. This bugs me too. Also, I may be mistaken, but wasn't Missandei supposed to be a little girl? I know Dany is younger in the books as well, and I understand them aging her up for TV. I'll admit, Missandei is the most beautiful woman in the show to me so far, but really... get rid of this love triangle. Please. I'm just mad that the only eye candy left for me had his skull smashed. Yep. Missandei is 10 yrs old in the book. All the male characters worth caring about in the East have been written out or transformed into random non-descript brown haired man. Where's the Second Sons and Daario Naharis FFS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 I'm just mad that the only eye candy left for me had his skull smashed. Probably my Xenophobia kicking in but I did not find that man attractive at all. (Not sure if that's the most gay or least gay thing I've ever said). Hell I think Jorah and Tywin are better looking dudes. Maybe I have a thing for pasty old white guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josie Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 Probably my Xenophobia kicking in but I did not find that man attractive at all. (Not sure if that's the most gay or least gay thing I've ever said). Hell I think Jorah and Tywin are better looking dudes. Maybe I have a thing for pasty old white guys. Hey, to each their own. I find Jorah attractive, too. He was bear-ier in my mind in the book, though. More like this season's Mountain but more chiseled. Tywin- handsome in a regal, evil way. My favorite was Khal Drogo but he dead, yo. Oberyn's actor just had a wicked smile that I liked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 Obviously won't be visiting this thread often or at all due to spoilers, but I just started watching the show last night. On episode 2 now. I know this ruins everything, but I've already watched the Red Wedding and SPOILER SPOILER saw the king from Winterfell get beheaded. So I pretty much have some huge spoilers already done... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted June 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 I think we'll see Dany's Mereen arc develop next season. They likely only had time for her taking it and finding out about Mormont (with all the other crazy-go-nuts happenings). Why they took time to develop a love interest between Missandei and Grey Worm? Who knows. Maybe they'll pay it off with something interesting. I've really loved the Jaime/Tyrion scenes. We learn about their relationship mostly through the brothers having thoughts about one another in their respective POV chapters. The show taking time to have more direct interactions between them has been a great way to fill that in. Jaime is one of the few in Westeros who knows Tyrion's worth as a person. And Blue thanks for the explanation. :thumbsup: That scene is one of my favorites from this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 Having never read the books, I am dying to find out if varys' testimony was some sort of ploy, cause he was always respectful and thankful for tyrion's contributions to keeping K's Landing in good order. To see him do a 180 at the trial stinks of a cover of some sort. Am I holding my breath for nothing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabills Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 Having never read the books, I am dying to find out if varys' testimony was some sort of ploy, cause he was always respectful and thankful for tyrion's contributions to keeping K's Landing in good order. To see him do a 180 at the trial stinks of a cover of some sort. Am I holding my breath for nothing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drnkirishone Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 Having never read the books, I am dying to find out if varys' testimony was some sort of ploy, cause he was always respectful and thankful for tyrion's contributions to keeping K's Landing in good order. To see him do a 180 at the trial stinks of a cover of some sort. Am I holding my breath for nothing? the moment you think you understand the spider is the moment you take a fatal bird beak to the back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 Just started watching , for some reason been putting it off, am at episode 6 now :w00t: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted June 9, 2014 Report Share Posted June 9, 2014 Good stuff last night. Probably not an all-time great episode but still very well done IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpandean Posted June 9, 2014 Report Share Posted June 9, 2014 I understand why they had to make it all one story line (Night's Watch), but it left me saying, "wait, what about *insert other story line* ... aw, damn, have to wait a week." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted June 9, 2014 Report Share Posted June 9, 2014 That may have been the best battle scene I've ever seen on something made for TV. It was spectacular. Always bothered me they never showed any of Robb's battles (I know it was all off screen in the books, but I still wanted to see it). It was also nice to see Jon kill the key bad guy without an assist like he had at Craster's Keep. That was a pretty badass duel. Although he wasn't a major character, I was still sad to see Grenn die. Knew it had to happen when he went to hold the gate, but still was hoping for the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted June 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 That may have been the best battle scene I've ever seen on something made for TV. It was spectacular. Always bothered me they never showed any of Robb's battles (I know it was all off screen in the books, but I still wanted to see it). It was also nice to see Jon kill the key bad guy without an assist like he had at Craster's Keep. That was a pretty badass duel. Although he wasn't a major character, I was still sad to see Grenn die. Knew it had to happen when he went to hold the gate, but still was hoping for the best. Like all GoT duels, Styr had Jon dead to rights and then let him go. Let's see, I could keep bashing his face into this anvil or I could throw him... over there. I loved the whole episode taking place in one setting. Apparently the Blackwater (S2E9) did this as well, but it didn't feel as awesome. (spoilers for the 3rd book and next weeks episode) Ygritte's death was the hardest I cried reading the books, and I shed a couple tears watching it in the show. Brutal. I really liked the battle in the books when Jon is injured and it's just the cripples, old folks, and Mole's Town men vs. Styr and the raiding party over the wall. Dat burning staircase. That said, I think they did a really good job adapting it to the show. Stannis showing up to take care of the huge force would feel like a copout, and both battles taking place at once was just hardcore. I still miss Edd (the real one, who's funny) and Donal Noye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 Like all GoT duels, Styr had Jon dead to rights and then let him go. Let's see, I could keep bashing his face into this anvil or I could throw him... over there. I loved the whole episode taking place in one setting. Apparently the Blackwater (S2E9) did this as well, but it didn't feel as awesome. (spoilers for the 3rd book and next weeks episode) Ygritte's death was the hardest I cried reading the books, and I shed a couple tears watching it in the show. Brutal. I really liked the battle in the books when Jon is injured and it's just the cripples, old folks, and Mole's Town men vs. Styr and the raiding party over the wall. Dat burning staircase. That said, I think they did a really good job adapting it to the show. Stannis showing up to take care of the huge force would feel like a copout, and both battles taking place at once was just hardcore. I still miss Edd (the real one, who's funny) and Donal Noye. Nah, Ghost would have sensed it and just torn through his neck. Frankly I'm surprised (and glad) that they didn't have Ghost jump into that duel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted June 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 Nah, Ghost would have sensed it and just torn through his neck. Frankly I'm surprised (and glad) that they didn't have Ghost jump into that duel. 10/10 for the Ghost cameo. Would watch that 9 seconds again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 Buehler, Buehler, anyone.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted June 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 Buehler, Buehler, anyone.... Eh. It was okay but underwhelming. With one more scene it could've been a lot better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 I am bummed about the hound, unless he miraculously survives. My favorite character. If GOT has taught us anything, don't get attached to any characters. They all bite it sooner or later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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