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9 hours ago, DarthEbriate said:
Well, Boushh was the 7th D... but the 7th D is going to get about 40 games even during a very healthy season. Good on him to get more playing time and an opportunity. But... can I still be upset when Anaheim trades him to a contender for a 2nd at the deadline after he's played a solid season as a middle-pairing guy?
Good luck, thermal detonator!
I wouldn’t count on it, the Ducks were one of the teams with worse defensive play than the Sabres last year
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1 hour ago, Quint said:
I too like Boosh. He was physical. Not a lot of Sabres defensemen are physical. You need big, hard-nose defensemen to clear the front of the net. Hopefully they don't fill the D-ranks with fancy-Dans.
Erik Johnson also would have lead our team in hits, with 121 hits in only 63 games.
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1 hour ago, Quint said:
I too like Boosh. He was physical. Not a lot of Sabres defensemen are physical. You need big, hard-nose defensemen to clear the front of the net. Hopefully they don't fill the D-ranks with fancy-Dans.
Clifton doesn’t have a ton of size, but he plays a hard physical game, would have led the Sabres in hits last year by nearly double our hit leader (208 vs. Samuelson’s 107)
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2 minutes ago, klos1963 said:
Living in Arizona, with the time difference, I often listened to games while driving home from work. While his dynamic goal calls were legendary, sometimes we lose sight of the fact that he was a tremendous play by play announcer, in the most traditional of terms. To be able to listen on radio and understand exactly what was happening in the game is underappreciated until you are in my situation, where you depended on Rick to let you know exactly what was happening in the game. I always thought he was great, but my appreciation for him grew immensely because of that skill.
I became a Sabres fan listening to RJ over the radio with my Dad, we didn’t have cable growing up so I didn’t watch much games, but RJ always made you feel so close to the action.
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19 hours ago, mjd1001 said:
Probably, but the question is...he is isn't a top 12 guy, do you still want him playing in Roch getting minutes? I always think the 13th guy should be a vet that can 'step in' when needed (Like Hinestroze) or a very VERY young guy getting his first look (18 or 19 year old first rounders who can get something from 'just being around the team in practice').
Maybe as the 13th guy you keep him around but he routinely subs in on the 4th line. Every couple games someone comes out of that line and you put him in (I guess you'd have to trust him to play multiple positions for that though).
Rousek is old enough now that spending more time in Rochester really isnt going to make much of a difference. If he cannot make it to the NHL this season, he is never going to really make it, at least not on the Sabres.
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29 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:
I wrote in the lineup thread that I didn't think Rousek would make the team out of camp, but if Buffalo moves on from the 3 headed goalie monster, I now see a slot for him as the 13th forward. I don't think he has anything left to prove in the AHL and at 24 it's time to transition to the NHL.
I also don't think he's needed in Rochester any longer. They have vets Mersch, Jobst, Warren, and Richards, plus young vets like Biro, Murray, and Weissbach to go with a solid group of prospects in Kulich, Rosen, Neuchev, Kisakov, Novak, Cedarqvist, and Nadeau, That's 14 quality forwards without Rousek.
Rousek proved he could play in the NHL even in a tiny sample size with 2 pts in 2 games and never looked out of place. The Sabres also signed him to a multi-year deal, so it's clear that management has some faith in him.
This is Dobber's summary of Rousek. https://dobberprospects.com/player/lukas-rousek/
We know he has decent hands from his time in Rochester. He also seems like a leader by example. All effort all the time. He sounds like an ideal 3/4th player. He isn't the biggest guy (5'11"), but he doesn't play small. I honestly see him as KO's replacement after this season and an injury fill-in up and down the lineup this season.
Thoughts?
I think he battles Oloffson for a spot In the starting 12 if the forward group stands. Oloffson subs in if we’re In a scoring slump and stays in if he’s hot. Rousek If we’re getting lots of offense but are letting too many in.
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15 minutes ago, pi2000 said:
Dahlin -13, 44 points, 21:09 toi, 20 ppp, 2:51 pp/toi
Power +10, 35 points , 23:48 toi, 8 ppp, 1:58 pp/toi
Dahlin soent more time on the power play his rookie year, he's the more skilled and creative offensive player.
That said, Power had the better rookie season even strength... better +/-, more es points, toi... but they're very very close.
Other than TOI, there isn’t much that makes me say that Power was better at even strength. I think the team is better now which drove the +/- up as well. However, the advanced stats paint a bit different picture. Dahlin drove more even strength offense in his play, both in shots and higher danger opportunities than Power, but also surrendered less high danger opportunities than Power, though slightly more shots were against. There’s also taking into account team-relative stats, and Dahlin’s are better than Power’s.
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22 hours ago, Thorny said:
By popular demand, this will be my last post
cheers
Chill with that, people don’t just want you gone (even if there might be 1 or 2). Yes, you are a lil too negative for my taste at times, but I know we still can have good discussion (see Power/Dahlin thread).
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54 minutes ago, Thorny said:
So for the full year Dahlin was 3rd? Second pair? What was Power, 3rd as well, 2nd pair?
I definitely had Dahlin on pair 1 in my recollection so thanks for the correction on that
Power still obviously had the benefit of playing behind a better player, but maybe that doesn’t matter much if those added minutes are reasonably difficult ones. I’m not sure what his competition was like, neither how much of the more difficult matchups were lumped on Dahlin his rookie year because he was arguably already our best D man
edit again - checking, Power was 2ND in ice time this year for D. It’s interesting as a dynamic cause he WAS second pair, right? But he had more time than Samuelsson. Pp2?
yes, I see 8 pp assists for OP and zero pp points for Sammy so that’s prob the difference there. Already last season details are slipping my mind
For the full year, Dahlin was 3rd among D in ice time, though IIRC he was getting PP1 time, so when it came to even strength minutes, he was 2nd pairing. Risto was getting workhorse minutes, and Bogo was getting 1st pairing even strength minutes. Part of it was the injuries, as Samuelson and Dahlin weren’t always playing together.
As for the benefit of playing behind a better player, I don’t think Power got as much as you think, with Housely playing Risto in the tough minutes, similar to how Dahlin was getting the tough minutes this year.
Dahlin his rookie season got next to no PK time, but Power had a significant amount. I think another big difference is Housely kept the pairings a little more Rigid than Granato, who seemed to switch up his pairings more mid game depending on the situation. Power was averaging about a minute more than Samuellson at even strength last year.-
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2 hours ago, Thorny said:
Difference being Rookie Power got to slide into the mactchups left for him behind all star Rasmus Dahiin. Rasmus Dahlin year 1 was sheltered by..the ghost of Dahlin future
So in comparing rookie seasons Dahlin was
- significantly better offensively
- slightly better defensively
- a full 1.5 years younger than Power (to my mind the craziest indicator)
- adjusting to a full season on NA ice
- on a significantly inferior team (Power’s output may only have been slightly aided defensively by this but certainly offensively, which was already far apart in comparison
Not so sure that this is completely accurate, Dahlin was somewhat sheltered in his rookie season, he was behind Risto, Bogo, and Montour in ice time. (Montour only here for 20 games though). Power played a full 2.5 more minutes per game than Dahlin in his rookie season.
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1 hour ago, LGR4GM said:
Dahlin was better defensively because he played on a worse team. That's the issue with these comparisons. Dahlin played for a team that was bad and Power played for a team that was a bubble team. Dahlin is the better player and that isn't a knock on Owen Power who I have come to really like and appreciate. Power is like 90% of Dahlin and could get even closer but for now, Dahlin is truly a level above. Really excited for Power to have with Clifton and to see him in his 2nd season. I expect a really big jump up.
The team itself was definitely worse, but was it worse defensively? Dahlin’s rookie year we gave up 271 goals compared to 300 last year. Between the better goaltending and league wise scoring increase, I’d say the team was probably comparable defensively.
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I’d like to apologize, this morning I realized much of my analysis up thread was flawed.The numbers I was looking at for both players were for all situations, which would help Dahlin as he was getting PP1 time in his rookie season. While I still think the data shows that Dahlin was better, it is a lot closer (at least on defense) than what I was seeing last night. Dahlin at even strength had a significantly higher CF/60 than Power, as well as a higher FenwickF/60. It is pretty clear that Dahlin drove more offense in his rookie season than Power did. The defensive numbers are pretty close though. Power had a lower CA/60, but a higher FenwickA/60. The conclusion to be drawn there is that while the Sabres gave up more shots while Dahlin was on the ice his rookie season, Owen Power was on the ice for more a good chunk more high danger chances. The gap in Ozone starts shrunk, with Dahlin having 3% more Ozone starts.
After diving back in, I think that Dahlin was undeniably better offensively in his rookie season, but defensively, they were so close that it’s hard to pick out who was better. I’d give a slight edge to Dahlin, as his team relative stats were better. (Power actually had a team relative FF%).
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On 8/6/2023 at 1:03 PM, TRIP65 said:
Dahlin has been in the League already 5 years. Last two Seasons have squelched the move Dahlin to Winger calls or he is a bust. Played 355 games already and is 23. Has good size, fighter meaning he doesn't back down. When Healthy he is a Norris Candidate every year. Probably in the Top two as Offensive Defensiveman.
Power in his first full year has played WAY better than Dahin in his 1st full year. Man is HUGE, has some grit but still is 3 years younger than Dahlin. Power already is a +13 point differential, Dahlin for the 1st time hit + differential at 12.
Need another year to truly analysis Power vs Dahlin. That said Power is already ahead in projection from 1st year and beyond. Plus player who found scoring later in year. He was on the 2nd pairing and did this. He is 6-6, will get bigger and better defensively and has length to do what Tage does offensively. Power will not be real flashy like Dahlin and Dahlin will never be as good defensively as Power.
That said Power is the better Defensiveman, he will have 4 more better years than Dahlin if Healthy just based on age, Dahlin had a slow start. Power will be a 50-70 point guy by 23 easily. Dahlin may go to 100+.
Glad we have BOTH and hopefully the next 10+ years
My choice is Power, he came out of the gate flying and will project better in his first 5 years, we don't know this mans ceiling yet either, still too young to evaluate high end.
I was reading through this thread and saw people on opposite sides, some saying Dahlin was better in his rookie season (at both ends of the ice), some saying Power was (or at least defensively). This got me pretty curious, so I decided to dive in a bit into their analytics.
What I discovered was that the bolded was wildly inaccurate. Dahlin was better in just about every metric. CF, CA, relative CF, relative CA, Fenwick for and against. And when you check the team relative stats, the difference just grew bigger. Owen Power had a team relative CF % of 0.5%. This means that for every 200 shots taken, when Owen Power was on the ice, 1 more was for the Sabres than when he wasn’t playing. Meanwhile, in Dahlin’s rookie season, he had a whopping 10.6% team relative cf%.
To be fair to Owen Power though, he is a larger player, and taller players tend to take longer to develop. Dahlin also had a higher Ozone start rate at 65.6%, compared to Power’s 56.6%. however, the Ozone starts do not make up the difference in the rest of the advanced stats, which pretty clearly show that Dahlin had a better rookie season. When you add that to Dahlin being a full year younger than Power for their respective seasons, it is pretty clear that Dahlin was ahead of where Power is now, when he was his age. Again though, that could be somewhat due to Power not having grown into his body yet.
If any of you are curious, and wish to check some of the stats for yourself, I attached the links I checked here.
power: https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/p/powerow01.html
Dahlin: https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/d/dahlira01.html
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On 8/6/2023 at 9:57 PM, Randall Flagg said:
Barbashev won the cup too, so is he a better center than Thompson as well?
Was Barbashev the 1C on his cup team?
I didn’t say I completely agreed with the list, I think Eichel should be down a couple spots, but i definitely don’t think it’s too far off. Thompson is more dangerous offensively, mainly when it comes to scoring goals. However, Eichel this year played much better in his own zone than Thompson did, which balances the scales some. He also was an elite playoff performer, and came in 2nd for the Conn Smythe in his first playoff appearance. I think it’s reasonable to put Eichel ahead of Tage, but I wouldn’t call you crazy for the reverse.
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18 minutes ago, dudacek said:
i always have to default of the most ever given up for a goalie being pick #9 and that was for a young but proven goalie expected to be your franchise #1 for years..
Quinn was pick 8 and has justified it so far. Savoie was pick 9 and held value. Some think Benson and Kulich are better than Savoie and Peterka is at a similar level.
I don' think any of them should be necessary to get any goalie, particularly one with a big contract, or the expectations of a big contract.
Not only that, but it was a deal that the team trading for the goalie lost by all accounts.
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11 minutes ago, K-9 said:
Haven’t seen the list, but I’m guessing there are at least a couple in the top 10 I’d rank him higher than.
1. McDavid 2. McKinnon 3. Draisaitl 4. Matthews 5. Crosby 6. Hughes 7. Point 8. Eichel 9. Barkov 10. Pettersson
Only ones that I feel are reasonable to question are Eichel, Barkov and Pettersson, but Eichel won the cup last year, Pettersson broke 100 points, and Barkov has been pretty damn good for a while and plays a more complete game.
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16 hours ago, PASabreFan said:
Of course they'll be fine with it. That's the nature of fans and sycophants.
My big beef is Adams not even trying to push the team over thr top last season and continuing to slow roll things this summer. He's taking advantage of a situation.
Not even trying? He added Stillman and Greenway at the trade line, and it was widely reported that he went after Chychurn, willing to part with a first for him.
He tried to push the team into the playoffs last season, but he wasn’t willing to do that at any cost, which was the right decision. Even if we added Chychurn and squeaked into the playoffs, we’d have been unlikely to beat any of the Bruins in round 1, the leafs in round 2, Carolina in round 3, or Vegas in the cup. -
On 5/2/2023 at 6:03 PM, Believer said:
Hmm… Doesn’t like to give up a tough scoring chance of his own….to a teammate with a wide open net… Appert and Peca will fix that.
I would look again, especially at the second angle, that pass would have had to be in the air for a deflection in, not much less difficult than the shot Poltapov made.
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I had a weird dream last night where Tarasenko retired before the season even started.
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10 hours ago, Buffalonill said:
Even if Levi gets 15 SO's the nhl will make sure connor bedard wins it to Market the new superstar in America
If Levi got 15 SO’s he would be a lock for the vezina, assuming he wasn’t god awful outside of those 15 games.
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Just now, Pimlach said:
I get your point on balancing the lines and ice time, it is nothing new to me. Now look at the career stats of the two players. Draisaitl is a level higher.
Okay? Did I argue with that? Obviously Draisaitl is the better player, and would have been the better pick. No one here is disputing that. I just don’t get why you are trying to argue that we should have picked Draisaitl because Reinhart isn’t a first line player.
He is a first line player, but Draisaitl is just one of the best players in the league, as evidenced by him winning the hart. -
6 hours ago, Pimlach said:
All this talk about Reinhart being an elite 2C or a 1RW, or a 2/3 RW misses the fact that Murray picked him over Draisaitl.
At 2OA Reinhart was supposed to be a first line player and an impact player. He just had his best 2 goal scoring seasons while on a contending team and he is still not cracking the first line.
Some (many) teams choose to spread out their best talent so that they can have more balanced scoring, one of those teams is Florida. He was 3rd in Ice time, which means Florida views him as a first line calibre player on their team, even if he didn’t play with the other first liners much.
Is Bunting better than Nylander? Because according to your logic, Bunting got a lot of time with Matthews and Marner, so he’s the first line forward, despite Nylander scoring 40 goals and being 3rd in Ice time.
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2 hours ago, LabattBlue said:
Thinking about Power signing a long term deal with the Sabres. I know he is only 1 season in, and has a long way to go, buy why would he sign long term with the Sabres, knowing he is never(short of Dahlin being injured) going to get the PP1 time that would allow him to rack up the stats, and in turn get paid like a true #1 dman?
There are a couple of reasons:
1. He’s going to be here for a minimum of 4 more years anyways, barring extreme circumstances.
2. The Sabres in a couple years will have the talent to run 2 very strong power plays that can practically split the PP time.
Tuch, Thompson, Skinner, Cozens and Mitts are good PP options, Quinn and JJP should develop into good options, and Benson/Savoie/Kulich/Rosen/Östlund should be good options for the 8th forward spot/if any of those players prove to not be worth a spot. Our second PP will be better than most team’s 2nd PK unit and could prove to be more or equally productive than our first unit in time. -
11 minutes ago, tom webster said:
Most people agree that signing expensive, older free agents isn’t the way to go. What I’m advocating is trading some of these prospects to fill holes to speed up the process. To be clear, I’m talking about two or three piece’s depending on how some of the players develop. Their cap space advantage will go away after this year as the cap corrects itself. This off-season was the time to be aggressive.
out of curiosity, what holes would you like filled, and who are the players you’d like to explore trading for?
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